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To still feel upset over this and wish I'd made a complaint

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SweetCharlotteRose · 20/08/2015 23:29

I'm now currently and miraculously 16 weeks pregnant naturally, however we thought we couldn't get pregnant naturally and I've had two full rounds of IVF plus a couple of FETs.

The diagnosis we had was male factor infertility, dh had only 2% normal forms and we had to have icsi. We paid for the treatment as we already have a naturally conceived ds.
After the second round failed the private consultant gave me a consultation (which didn't happen after the first round) and asked if we had private medical cover. When I said yes he then told me he thought there were problems with me as well and he advised a laparoscopy as I might have endometriosis, which would cost £4000 but our insurance should cover it.
When I said that I didn't have any symptoms at all of endo he advised me to go to my gp and state I had painful periods, bleeding between periods, pain during sex and bleeding after sex so that I could be referred back to him under the private medical cover for a lap.

I did not do this and we decided at this point to try donor treatment as I felt so disheartened with trying with our own eggs and sperm as he also told me I might have an egg problem but wouldn't be drawn on why he thought this. I am only 32 with good egg reserve apparently. We had to go abroad for this treatment and this required a smear test in the last 12 month. Again we paid for it as I wasn't due one on the nhs and unfortunately it was the same consultant. When I went in he asked whether I'd sorted out the medical insurance for the lap and I said I wasn't going ahead with it. He pushed me on it again and then did the smear test which was absolute agony. Never had any problems with pelvic examinations before. The test then caused some bleeding which he then told me could be cancerous polyps. He told me it needed immediate investigation as it was abnormal to bleed during a smear test and showed me photos of cancerous polyps. He said he could do the lap and investigate any polyps at the same time.
I left in tears having gone from having a male factor diagnosis to being told I'd probably got endo, poor egg quality and polyps which were possibly cancerous.

Anyway the smear came back normal, I went to see me own GP who told me bleeding happens in about a third of smears and had another pelvic examination which was completely pain free.

Even though I'm now pregnant naturally I can't seem to let this go. I wish I'd made a complaint at the time - it's been a year now. Should I just let it lie? It seems so wrong. I was really vulnerable at the time and could easily have done what he'd told me to, thus defrauding the insurance and putting myself through unnecessary surgery.

Sorry it's so long.

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SweetCharlotteRose · 21/08/2015 08:34

The thing is QOD is that we had a reason for the infertility.
I supposed I could have had endo as well but is it normal to be told to lie to the GP and insurance company?

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Wolpertinger · 21/08/2015 08:34

It is possibe to see it both ways (just). Endo can be a cause of infertility and that be the only symptom so to his mind it was worth suggesting. What he can investigate on the NHS is prob limited compared to in the private sector so worth establishing v early on if he has insurance cover to work with vs your self-funded budget vs NHS only. This is presumably how he would respond to your complaint.

Totally different scenario but when I took my cat to the vet practically the first question was 'is she insured' - once vet knew she was we proceeded to have a totally different conversation to when they thought I was paying for everything. Lots of extra tests thrown in 'just to make sure'.

QOD · 21/08/2015 08:36

Who knows! (RE lying) - but usually they do seem to look at the 2 of you
saying that, this is secondary infertility (or was Grin ) so ... I'm 50/50 on the laparoscopy but 100% he's scamming insurance on the 'polyps'

SweetCharlotteRose · 21/08/2015 08:38

He told me that even if the polyps weren't cancerous they could be blocking the way?! I googled when I got home and it seems they are often actually visible during pelvic examinations if they are in fact there. I assume he couldn't see anything.
I did not need to see pictures of cancerous polyps either way!

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Wolpertinger · 21/08/2015 08:40

Agreed on the polyps. Looks like someone who racks up the tests on insurance. Lots of patients like that though, think they are seeing someone 'thorough' and confirms their bias that 'private better than NHS'.

Hard to prove, your complaint will be water off a ducks back to him sadly.

SweetCharlotteRose · 21/08/2015 08:46

No it didn't feel like he was just being thorough. He was really offhand.
During the smear when the bleeding happened he just went 'oh and now you are bleeding, this requires immediate investigation.' It was so painful I'm not surprised there was bleeding! He made it seem like there must definitely be something terribly wrong.

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bumbleymummy · 21/08/2015 08:53

:( that's awful Charlotte. The last thing you need when you're going through a stressful time already Thanks

JustCallMeDory · 21/08/2015 08:57

Congratulations on the pregnancy OP!

But please, please report the consultant. Being told how to lie to the GP to defraud the insurance company is shocking and your account of your examination is worrying.

OutToGetYou · 21/08/2015 11:56

"Out to get you. Please don't give incorrect legal advice. You are clearly not qualified to do so. The limitation period for clinical negligence claims is 3 years. That said, I can't see what pursuing that would achieve"

OK, it wasn't 'legal advice' was it, quite clearly it was a suggestion.

I was referring to a personal injury claim which has 6 years. You are right, I didn't know that medical negligence is 3 years.

I personally think the consultant deliberately injured the OP during the smear to make her believe she need a further procedure. Of course there wouldn't be no way to 'prove' that.

She is also clearly also suffering mentally as a result of his actions as a year on she is still uncomfortable about the events - to me, that is a personal injury, a psychological one.

As to what it would 'achieve' - well, to stop the guy doing it again maybe? An internal complaint is going to be pretty low key and I doubt it would really do anything. Bringing an actual claim might make the people who employ him look at things more closely.

missmoon · 21/08/2015 13:14

Congratulations on your pregnancy! Re. the complaint, my husband works for a private hospital (in an admin role). One complaint may not amount to much without evidence, but a number of similar complaints amounts to a pattern, which they take very seriously. I would complain to the hospital, even if just to have it on record.

Ishoos · 21/08/2015 13:30

I would also copy the complaint to your insurance company fraud team as they may consider investigating him, or may already be doing so.

nannyplumislostinspace · 22/08/2015 11:28

Out to get you. I'm a solicitor. Actually the limitation period for personal injury claims is 3 years!

sticklebrickstickle · 22/08/2015 11:55

I would definitely write a letter of complaint. Get everything down clearly in writing, avoid being too emotive and stick to the facts.

Unfortunately you are right that it will be your word against his and nothing may come of it BUT you never know whether there have been previous complaints or will be future complaints.

If your complaint is one of many and other women have had similar experiences then it is no longer simply your word against his. If there is a stack of evidence it may be that action is taken so it is worth adding your complaint to the potential stack.

If no ones formally complained before it could also be that your complaint scares him from treating other women in the same way as he will know another complaint will reflect badly on him.

Congratulation on your pregnancy btw Flowers

lemoncordial · 22/08/2015 12:43

I think see should complain. Yes it's your word against his but if he did this to you he'll probably have done it to others. If more than one person makes a similar complaint then the evidence is staking up.

Fizzielove · 22/08/2015 13:01

FYI you can't get a hip replacement for £4k , it's more like £10k +

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