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AIBU?

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To go ahead without his permission?

46 replies

Hidingbehindclouds · 12/08/2015 14:04

My dd is 9mo and has been struggling with heart problems, but things seem to have settled for the time being. I have wanted to have her christened but she has been too poorly. When she was a few weeks old, my dh and I agreed that my dsis and her dh would be perfect for godparents as they love both of our dcs and both have the qualities we value in a godparent. They live in London, but always keep in touch and visit often and really love both of our dcs.
Now that the request has been put to the church for a date for the christening, dh ha decided he wants his brother and his new wife to also be godparents. To be clear, I have a terrible relationship with them, in particular the brother is loud, obnoxious and attention seeking. He made a show of himself and even made a speech at our wedding without being asked, and always tries to take the attention during other family occasions. There has been many family rows, instigated by their poor behaviour, and he always comments on my dd saying things like 'they are so boring until they talk' 'all she does is poo and eat and sleep' and basically has no interest in her wellbeing at all, let alone being a role model for her or someone she could go to for advice. He has history of drug use, shoplifting and doesn't seem to show any signs of valuing our dd. His wife is very quiet and does whatever bil tells her to do. They live in the same town and barely see the dcs as they are too busy. I don't feel like I know her at all, and we don't see each other unless there is a family occasion.
Dh basically wants to have someone from 'his family' too (although I did point out we are all one family!) and his brother and wife are the only option.
Would I be unreasonable to plan the christening with my dsis and her dh as the godparents and no others and hope dh comes round to the idea? I can't explain how important it is for me to have her baptised as soon as we can given her health.

OP posts:
Bunbaker · 12/08/2015 18:47

"Does it really matter? Honestly and truly?"

Of course it does. There wouldn't be any point to having godparents if it didn't matter.

Have the BIL and SIL been christened?

Bunbaker · 12/08/2015 18:48

"I suspect that there is something going on about 'keeping the peace' with his side of the family"

Which, IMO, are completely the wrong reasons for having them as godparents.

MrsGentlyBenevolent · 12/08/2015 20:56

There wouldn't be any point to having godparents if it didn't matter

As I also said, many a godparent don't do what is expected of them. The OP has two she believes will, that's two more than most have. So, what true harm does it do, having bil as another?

If we truly want to be fair here, the daughter would be old enough to make her own decisions on the matter, maybe she'll grow up to adore her aunt and uncle who live closer, you never know. I just can't see how it would do any wrong having the bil as godparent, she says her sister is her husband's family as well now - well the reverse also applies.

Bunbaker · 12/08/2015 21:29

"So, what true harm does it do, having bil as another?"

Given that the OP has told us this about her BIL - He has history of drug use, shoplifting and doesn't seem to show any signs of valuing our dd I think that is not a very sensible question.

Penfold007 · 12/08/2015 21:33

OP no child is 'too poorly to be Christened' YABU both parents have choices and four Godparents is reasonable.

clam · 12/08/2015 21:35

Is there any chance that bil hasn't been Christened himself? If not, he could be out on those grounds alone.

MrsGentlyBenevolent · 12/08/2015 21:38

A history. Does he do it now? Again, it shouldn't take away from the husband's choice either. He obviously doesn't think so little of his own brother. Being so judgemental and unforgiving is not very Christian either, is it. What is the daughter being introduced to? Welcome to church, only good people and those leading perfect lives welcome.

clam · 12/08/2015 21:51

"And you are promising also to care for the child in the event something happens to the parents"

No, that's a guardian, not a godparent.

Personally, I don't see the point of having siblings/close relatives as godparents. They're always going to be in the child's life anyway. Much better to choose long-standing friends whose morals and ethics you admire.

BarbarianMum · 12/08/2015 21:59

Lots of people took drugs and/or engaged in a bit of shop lifting when young. Very common and not necessarily indicative of a life of moral turpitude.

TRexingInAsda · 12/08/2015 22:09

Point blank refuse - fine, good idea, but have the conversation where you do just that.

badg3r · 12/08/2015 22:15

does your dh have a friend of his that you would consider, someone who is more "his side" but not actual family iyswim?

SoupDragon · 12/08/2015 22:24

"So, what true harm does it do, having bil as another?"

Given that the OP has told us this about her BIL - He has history of drug use, shoplifting and doesn't seem to show any signs of valuing our dd I think that is not a very sensible question.

Do you think that he's going to take her out on drug fuelled shop lifting sprees?

I don't think it would make a blind bit of difference if he is supposedly a God parent. I suspect it will be no different to only having the other two.

Hidingbehindclouds · 12/08/2015 22:33

I know that dh is her father and has the same rights as I do, and I did of course agree the godparents being my dsis and her dh when my Dd was born.
We have had the conversation at length, but seem to be at a stalemate. I have explained that he can choose anyone else in the family for the role, and even suggested several family members but my veto is his brother and sil because they are supposed to be people we trust to support our dd and give sound advice, and bil is not someone who could do this.
Everyone has a past, but he is still irresponsible and makes poor choices, and shows no interest in dd. not to mention the poor relationship between them and us! Dh is more concerned with the appearance of the situation.

OP posts:
ohtheholidays · 12/08/2015 22:37

I don't think YABU for not wanting your BIL to be a Godparent for your daughter,from the way you've described him I'm surprised that your husband wants him involved at all.

Do you think maybe your husbands been put under pressure by other family members?

SoupDragon · 12/08/2015 22:38

Out of interest, what would you do if he decides to veto your sister and her DH?

MrsGentlyBenevolent · 12/08/2015 23:11

I agree with Soup, what if he says if he can't have his brother, why can't he say no to your sister?

How would you feel if this was a reverse in general? If you had to start a thread saying 'my husband has chosen his brother and wife as godparents, but absolutely refuses my sister and her partner. He's kindly letting me chose anyone else I like, but no one is as good as his brother. I feel that my family isn't good enough for him or as good as his own'. The man would be virtually hung, drawn and quartered on here.

Bunbaker · 12/08/2015 23:18

Quite apart from BIL's past transgressions, why on earth should he be godfather if he has no interest in his potential god-daughter?

I don't understand why some posters think BIL should be godfather. He sounds entirely unsuitable.

Also, you haven't said whether BL has been christened or whether he believes in God.

SoupDragon · 13/08/2015 08:17

I think it will make precisely zero difference if he is a godparent. It will be exactly the same as not having another set of godparents but will have kept the peace.

Bunbaker · 13/08/2015 10:23

"It will be exactly the same as not having another set of godparents but will have kept the peace."

So, rather pointless having him as a godparent and for completely the wrong reason. I think this is because my view of a godparent differs from yours.

I come from a small family and none of my godparents were family members. It was like having another two aunties and another uncle. They remembered my birthday and Christmas and it felt like a special treat to see them at other times.

What will the BIL do for his godchild?

SoupDragon · 13/08/2015 10:42

So, rather pointless having him as a godparent

That depends whether you think family harmony is pointless. I don't.

The DD still has one set of godparents who the OP hopes might be involved ones. The DH (and his side of the family) is happy as they have been included.

The reality is that it will make absolutely no difference to the OP or her DD whether the BIL is a godparent or not. It will, however, make a difference to her DH.

SoupDragon · 13/08/2015 10:44

I think this is because my view of a godparent differs from yours.

I think it is more that your idea of a godparent doesn't meet with what actually happens in a very large number of cases.

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