To wonder how 4 isis fighters got back in U.k

[ILoveCokeZero]

news.sky.com/story/1533617/exclusive-is-bombers-in-uk-ready-to-attack

This is really scary.

Yes born to one british citizen.

Answer the question?

What will you do with British citizens who have never left the country who are perhaps planning attacks?

This is what the article is about.

Where would you send them?

OP. It has been eloquently pointed out to you that Calais is the least of your worries, or should be. You seem to be wilfully not considering the possibility that these rampaging hordes could enter the UK via any one of hte 19000 miles of unguarded coast that surround us. You keep mithering on about Calais as if it's all your brain can hold.
I want to tell you to get a grip but that seems to lack the gravitas I feel your condition warrants.

OP, 'Well its the main way to get into the Uk undetected.'

I would have thought that would be the unguarded open land border with Ireland.

Or did you mean Britain? Then it would be the unguarded land border with Ireland then a boat, or a boat directly from Ireland, as no passports would be required.

Most of the people trying to get into Britain at Calais are there in the first place because they are trying to escape Islamic extremism and collapsed governments in their home countries.

As Isis have money and power, unlike the poor refugees, they have no need to try and climb a fence at Calais, as a PP said they could sail to anywhere in the UK. The scaremongering over one person almost making it through the tunnel etc is really shocking. They're being presented as monsters trying to invade and destroy us. They're refugees, who other countries are forced to take in in their millions.

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Why Calais Zero? Why pick the most guarded crossing point to the UK? There are a thousand and one ways to get into the UK.

In my humble opinion with so many other options available to them, the chances that an ISIS terrorist is going to get bogged down among the desperate people trying to get in through Calais is just not probable.

Why is it anyone asking questions about practicalities is labeled a bleeding heart liberal who wants to let 'em all in?

Posters spout all sorts of hysterical, reactionary stuff about hoarded of migrants

well obviously you send 'them' back to 'ISIS land' - do you people know nothing

OP there are many many better ways into the UK

Far, I think it's slightly hypocritical to tell people they should be more informed when you don't appear to have read the article properly yourself. This does apply to people who are radicalised in their bedroom. They are claiming people they've radicalised online have gone to Syria for training then returned to carry out attacks. They were also trying to radicalise the undercover reporter online too, potentially to be trained overseas too.

Calais is relevant. It's highly likely that if young Muslim men go on holiday to Turkey for an extended period of time, if they return via the normal channels they will be a priority for surveillance. If they come in through Calais the risk they will be detected coming back in is massively reduced and therefore the chances of catching them before they attack is reduced too. There's already been one guy caught coming through Calais (although I believe he had a false passport).

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31166062

Zero, there is no such thing as a British Citizen, we're British subjects, and yes, being born here does make you one.

Regarding these claims, who knows if they're true? Sally Jones is a fucking sad case moron who thinks she's in a Quentin Tarantino thing. She's a total loser who's failed at everything she's ever done and a fantasist to boot. She just thinks this makes her cool and famous. If she could have done it via the X Factor or Big Brother she probably would have.

Coke why would 'they' want to come in from Calais?

Yes I read the Mail.

I'm not sure you read at all.

The article says ISIS are encouraging people to not go to Syria but to carry out attacks here.

There have been training camps in Syria for decades. The countries and organisations of the trainees have changed, but the training has been going on.

I love that the OP has ignored all the people pointing out the gaping holes in her argument but found the time to reply twice to the one person who called her racist.

But it also says that the bombers who are here now were trained in Syria. So potentially there are more still to return. And sneaking through Calais would probably be the most effective way of giving the security services the slip.

But why would you use Calais to sneak into the country?

For a start, these guys have British passports presumably, so can enter legally whenever they want.

Secondly, as mentioned above, with money and organisation behind you there are much better ways to enter the country discreetly rather than risking your life trying to jump on a moving lorry/train, in a very high-profile area...

Thirdly, they're flying in from Turkey. Along with thousands of British tourists, this time of year.

Zero, there is no such thing as a British Citizen, we're British subjects and yes, being born here does make you one.

Wrong on every front.

British Nationality Act 1981, S.1; we are citizens, not subjects, and (unlike in the US) being born here isn't enough to qualify for UK citizenship.

Pneu, I've looked it up and apparently it's ambiguous according to the BBC, you are right about the passport for people born here though.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4191613.stm

BUT I don't think I was wrong about Calais. If someone that the authorities are aware has gone to Syria returns via legitimate channels with their own passport then in all likelihood they are going to be picked up by the security services.

If they come via Calais they are camouflaged because they are just one of many people from Syria milling around with no papers and no checkable identity. It's a way of going under the radar. I think it would be extremely foolish and naive to think that route in wouldn't be exploited by people who don't want the security services to know that they're here.

I will begin by saying that I am not saying you are wrong to be concerned about terrorism. I think with the world the way it is today, terrorism is real and relevant. And it is frightening.

However - you do need to take a deep breath and think about it. you cannot allow fear to make you bigoted or foolish or to prevent you from analysing things or understanding the complexities of the situation. I understand the desire to be safe and the need to look for that Something that can be done that will protect you. But that's not possible, in reality.

Take the link you posted, which prompted you to say we should 'do something' about Calais

The link very clearly reports how people in the uk are making online connections.

'doing something' re calais would make no difference to those people who are in the uk, perhaps born here, and being contacted from their homes in the uk.

It would make no difference to holders of british passports who are not trying to make their way here from france.

The majority of people attempting to get into the uk via calais are economic migrants, not would be terrorist attackers.

When you think about it, the calais route would be spectacularly inefficient for people with that agenda. There is no guarantee of access, no timescale, nothing.

Also, deport them. This is problematic. Who is 'them' ? Deport 'them' where?

You assume that the 'them' are not british. You cannot make that assumption.

Let's suppose I suddenly decide that I'm going to join a terrorist group from the comfort of my living room.

I am british. I was born here. Both my parents were born here. All four of my grandparents were born here. I have a great grandparent from Ireland and one from Scotland. I suppose I could be frogmarched out of England and taken to Kinrath or Dingwall. Or where would you suggest I be deported to?

It's dangerous to think that only a certain type of person is a threat and that you can deal with that type of person. Apart from anything else, it blinkers you and it's important to be balanced and to see that not everyone will be a risk, but anyone could be a risk.

We need to look at what's happening, why it's happening, what's going wrong that people in the uk right now are willing to consider what these people are suggesting.