my ds and his gf spend most evenings and days in fact holed up in his room but I dont understand why they are not at her house?

[NoahVale]

We visited and it is miles nicer than our house.
does his GF actually like mess chaos?

Do they have the same standards as you? E.g. dsis was not allowed upstairs at her bfs house, so they hung around at ours instead.

could be that I am more of a pushover lax, yes, and I hear her dm is a clean freak, as described by DS at least

My childhood home was " nicer" than my boyfriends but his mum was nicer than mine , so we spent most of our time there. Just to warn you I married him.

I expect I am nicer in that case wiggles

My DH can be very grumpy, particularly about their lolling aobut but perhaps this pair are oblivious

Ds1 is not allowed in his girlfriend's bedroom at her house. They have to sit in the living room so they come here for a bonk prefer coming to ours.

I always went to my bf's house as his parents didn't give a shit what he did and I still shared a room with my sister.

Never ever had a room to myself

How old ? I'd suggest they can't hole up at hers, for some reason.

XP was never in my house because 1. I wasn't allowed boys in my room and 2. My parents HATED him.

they are 19 and 20,
I guess they are stricter, otoh, they are out all day, whereas my DH is home for a good part of it

actually I think I know the reason, GF can smoke in our garden, whereas her family are not aware of her dirty habit,