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Buses, Young Parents and Fares

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RedBlu · 10/08/2015 13:40

Not really an AIBU, but more traffic here!

I catch the bus to and from work each day, occasionally a young woman gets on the bus at the same stop as me, she has a baby in a pram.

I don't know her personally but we have been on the bus together for a few months now.

Anyway, there is one bus driver who is known to be extremely rude and he tends to pick on young women, I have seen him many times shouting at customers. He is the sort that rather than politely explaining something, automatically starts shouting at you.

He was the driver this morning, the young woman asks for a "young person" ticket (so obviously she is under 19) and the driver refuses. Apparently her baby cannot travel for free if she buys a young person ticket, she needs to buy an adult ticket (another 50p). Babies only travel for free with an adult (not sure if this is right). She politely explains she has been getting this bus for months, and always buys a young person ticket and has never had a driver query it. This driver does he usual and explodes with rage, shouting at her saying he is the driver, he is right and that she isn't getting on without buying an adult ticket. She again explains the situation and that she needs to get to work and doesn't have any more money to buy an adult ticket. He continues shouting at her, she starts crying, he says he doesn't care and to get off the bus.

I step in at this point, give her the 50p to buy the adult ticket and tell him he is being rude. He then shouts at me saying he isn't being rude and we get into a bit of an argument before he gives up and starts driving the bus.

I have emailed the bus company to complain about the driver and told the woman to do the same.

HOWEVER, from looking online - the driver may have been correct (however doesn't excuse his disgusting attitude and behaviour). It does seem that if you are travelling with a baby (or any child under five) you have to have an adult ticket? Now, to me - this seems wrong. Surely it is discriminating against young parents? Clearly she is under 19, has a baby (its not unheard of is it!) so should pay the reduced rate young person fare, as she is under 19. How does the fact she has a baby mean she has to pay an adult fare?

Anyone else think this is wrong or is this normal?!

OP posts:
EygptianSnow · 10/08/2015 20:10

Wether he was correct he is a nasty prick and shouldn't be working with customers. I've had a bus driver shout at me when he nearly drove into me, they wouldn't talk to a big male like that. I'm glad you complained

Mrsjayy · 10/08/2015 21:46

I complained to our bus company the same driver constant drove away when i was trying to get a seat (im disabled with a pass) the final straw was i was standing waiting for the bus to stop at the stop he shouted up the we havmt got all dayShock some drivers shouldnt be driving a bloody bus.

Bogeyface · 11/08/2015 00:12

Unfortunately some people dont seem to be able to join the dots between

"I can drive, I will be a bus driver"

and

"I am a total prick who shouldnt be allowed out in public"

hejhej · 11/08/2015 00:39

The cost of means testing argument is always dragged out, but it really can't be that hard.

It isn't , just give it to people on pension credit. Sorted.

ilovesooty · 11/08/2015 00:41

Interesting to see how this thread developed into pensioner bashing. Hmm

LurkingHusband · 11/08/2015 09:31

Means testing is fiendish, mainly because the UK has evolved a complex tax/benefit infrastructure.

Before anything else, you need to have accurate data for the time frame in question (so we're already holed before the waterline, because we haven't got that).

Then you have to assemble it to cover the financial year in question (remember you can offset allowances over previous or future years, depending on which area of the system you are looking at).

Then you have to aggregate household figures, where appropriate (and that'll be another hole in the data, given "household" is one of those irregular government nouns)

Then, and only then, can you decide if the person/household in question is eligible for the benefit in question. Or whether they need to repay a benefit, as they earned more over the year than the threshold (although when they claimed the benefit they were eligible).

Of course all of this has to be done in real-time (or as close to as possible) since it would be impossible to only pay benefits in arrears (imagine waiting a year until your benefit could be paid). And against a background of people moving, being born, getting married, divorced and dying (plus immigrating/emigrating) and a cornucopia of various methods of investing which may -or may not - affect benefits.

That's just a very high level view for starters.

If Universal Credit was going to work, it could address (some of) these issues. But it isn't, nor ever will, so we need to go back to the drawing board.

Means testing is one of those ideas which sounds fair, until you realise the enormous cost of administering it.

And note, I say "sounds" fair. Because invariably, you will hit situations - like the Lurking household - where a household earns £0.01 over the threshold, and then has to pay for things which a household £0.01 under the threshold doesn't have to. So because I earn enough that MrsLH can't receive IS, she has to pay travel, prescription, dental, and optical charges - a few hundred a year which then makes her worse off than someone claiming IS and getting free prescriptions, dental care, and optical care. Plus the wages I lose, having to drive her to (numerous) medical appointments. Plus the parking charges.

Yes, you could smooth things out with a taper. But since we can't administer the system we have, it's pointless adding more "what ifs".

And regardless of solutions, the current and planned situations are ideological, not practical. This government, despite all the AusterityBollocks, would happily burn a bonfire of pulped fivers if it ensured the Tory message was getting through load and clear. That's why no one really cares if the Bedroom Tax saves money.

But, as I say, the real news yesterday, was Jeremy Vine appearing on Strictly. So let's get back to that and stop wasting our time with things that will never change.

TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 11/08/2015 10:01

A timely link to our talk guidelines

TTWK · 11/08/2015 10:18

Nobody is pensioner bashing. Admitting that some pensioners are relatively affluent is not pensioner bashing. Good for them, I'm glad they've got a few bob.

Questioning if pensioners should automatically get free bus/tube travel is not pensioner bashing either.

No one is upset or angry that many pensioners are financially comfortable.

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