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To be hurt by lack of support from my mother? long post

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Bluebell66 · 05/08/2015 10:10

I lost my DH to lung cancer two years ago. Since then I have had absolutely no support from my mother and she has shown virtually no interest in my two DC who needless to say, have struggled enormously. She was twittering on about her neighbour a couple of days after my DH died, and because I wasn't engaging in the conversation, she said "you don't sound very interested". I had just lost my precious DH, my DC has lost their Dad, I could barely even breathe. How could she expect me to be interested in her neighbour? She told me because I have a house and a car, I should "count my blessings". I said I would rather live in a tent and still have my DH with us. She remains totally obsessed with my sister, who never made any attempt to come and see me, or even pick up the phone and ring me when my DH died. She sent a condolence card in the post. My mother then went on and on for weeks at me asking me if I was going to thank my sister for the card. I said no, I have far more important things to cope with, like just managing to get through the day and feed my DC. I felt I coped really well on the day of the funeral, even though I felt like I was looking down on myself and on another planet, I needed to stay strong for my DC. She told me afterwards I "was funny with them on the day of the funeral". Everyone else told me how proud they were of me, and how strong I was being for my DC. She is utterly self centred and totally obsessed with my sister, who is a complete waste of space. She wrecked her marriage and walked out on her two DSs. Because she now lives in a rented flat, and I "have a house", I am so much better off than her and have so much more. She CHOSE to wreck her marriage and walk out. I would give anything in the world to have my DH back and for my DC to have their Daddy back. But I didn't have a choice. She just doesn't get it, she's so shallow. I have told her how much she's hurt me, but nothing changes. I have pretty much stopped talking to her on the phone as whenever I do, she upsets me. She shows no interest in how I'm doing or in my DC. She just remains obsessed with trivia and my sister. I don't know how to cope with the situation. It's no good talking to my Dad. He has no idea of half the things she's said to me. She's very devious and always does it on the phone or via text, so he doesn't know. He knows what she's like, but he will always back her and defend her. He says she's "the most maternal woman he knows". I'm afraid I beg to differ. I want to detach myself from her completely, but I know that's not possible. Thank you to anybody that manages to get to the end of this rambly post.

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Bluebell66 · 05/08/2015 12:39

Thank you Sazzle, that is such good advice, and I know in my heart you are right. And as for "counting my blessings", yes, I am lucky to have a house and a car, but NOTHING can make up for the loss of my DH. Just proves how shallow she is.

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Itsmine · 05/08/2015 13:47

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Bluebell66 · 05/08/2015 15:15

Thanks Itsmine, that's so true, and really good advice. I am going to cut back my contact again, and if my Dad has another go at me, I'm afraid I'll just have to tell him that dealing with my mother is upsetting me and making me ill. I just don't need it.

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Wolpertinger · 05/08/2015 15:25

Your mum sounds narcissistic. Your sister sounds like the golden child. You have already realized you should have v low expectations of them both but want to stay in touch with your dad. I suspect you are the family scapegoat.

Your dad sounds like their enabler. Look it up - these are common family roles. Your dad seems nice and supportive and he'll acknowledge to you what she's like. But fundamentally something keeps him in his relationship with her - because if he really knew what she was like and how she treated you, he would leave.

Instead he makes the right noises, but when push comes to shove he always backs your mum for a quiet life.

Enablers can be just as damaging as narcissists, because you think they are on your side but really they aren't.

DayLillie · 05/08/2015 15:35

Agree about enablers. Sometimes it is all about making their life easy with the other parent, and you being 'difficult', ie you are the one who had to feel guilty about it. You do not have space in your life for this.

Put your children and yourself first.

If they are only 10mins away, pop in for half an hour once a week with the children on the way to somewhere else. Have a state visit - exchange polite news then go. If they are not available then don't go.

Also, DF knows where you are if he wants to be in touch. You do not have to do it all the time.

Bluebell66 · 05/08/2015 17:48

Wolpertinger and DayLillie, that's so interesting and makes so much sense. I am always the family scapegoat and my father told me once I was "impossible to deal with". It's stayed with me ever since, which is probably why I always feel everything is always my fault and spend most of my life wracked with guilt over one thing or another. My sister is a compulsive liar, she uses them for money, and she deserted her family, but all they ever do is make excuses for her and pussyfoot round her. They know if they say anything to her she doesn't like, she will turn on them, so they just pander to her. Always have done. But they treat me totally differently. I'm never allowed to stand up for myself. If I do, I'm being difficult. Even with the hell me and my DC are going through, there is still no feeling or compassion. You have made me see this whole rubbish situation so much clearer. I agree with everything you've said, but now I somehow have to deal with it.

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Fromparistoberlin73 · 05/08/2015 18:28

OH bluebell

I am so sorry for your loss, and for your DC. so sorry

now as for your mother, fuck me she sounds toxic. I am SHOCKED at her callousness. has she always been like this?

good luck , sounds like you know what you need to do XX

FantasticButtocks · 05/08/2015 19:16

How sad, I'm so sorry you have lost DH Thanks

Going no contact can be a heartbreaking and painful decision and process. So it is understandable that you don't want to put yourself through any more pain at the moment.

But you do need to take several steps back. First thing to tackle is the acceptance that your parents are not who you want them to be and are unlikely to change. So it is you who must change your attitude to them. You need to lower your expectations, as others have said, as the hope (for change) is agony.

Next, you need a couple of ready phrases to throw their way... I'm grieving would be one. We'd like to spend Christmas together, just me and the DCs as it's our first Christmas without DH. I need some quiet time, I'm sure you understand etc
It seems they need reminding Confused

Can you try and promise yourself that you will only spend time with people who make you feel better or at least don't make you feel worse. Spend less time communicating with your parents and more time doing things which add to or enhance your life.

Don't try to win their approval, it's a waste of effort.

Bluebell66 · 05/08/2015 19:33

Yes Fromparis, she has always been like this, but she's got worse over the last few years. Stupidly, I expected more from her when I lost my DH.

Fantastic - thank you so much for your post. It has helped me enormously, made me see things more clearly, and hopefully given me the strength to deal with this when things hit the fan, which no doubt they will. Yes, I am grieving, deeply, and yes, they do need reminding, for reasons which are beyond me. I really want to stop investing so much emotional energy in them. I am exhausted mentally and physically, and I really can't do it anymore. You're right, I want to just be free to concentrate on myself and my DC now. They do not deserve my loyalty and patience. It has gone on long enough, and I have given my mother more than enough "second" chances.

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derxa · 05/08/2015 19:34

Make good use of fogging. I think that's the right term. Do not emotionally engage. Give non-committal answers. Go through the motions. Keep it civil with them. Save your emotions for people who care for you.

Sazzle41 · 05/08/2015 20:51

What Wolpertinger and DayLillie said. You are the scapegoat OP because you realise your relationships with them arent right - which makes their denial of it more difficult. So, to carry on in their denial, they project it back onto you and say its you thats the problem.

Its all horribly familiar to me (even down the sister who gets all the attention/affection) and I so feel for you. Grief is devastating enough, you need people who will cherish you & support you. Just be aware its not you its them and just think and be comforted by the fact that your relationship with your children will probably be the total opposite.{flowers}

FantasticButtocks · 05/08/2015 21:31

It may give you the strength you need to think that you are allowing your feelings of grief for your DH to have priority over pleasing and spending energy on your parents. You are honouring what you and DH had by insisting you be allowed to grieve without obstruction.

Also, one tip. You don't have to turn up to every argument you're invited to.

Bluebell66 · 05/08/2015 21:36

Derxa - thank you so much for that advice. I am going to re-read your post in future when I am anxious about talking to them/seeing them xx

Sazzle - what you said makes so much sense to me now. I'm so sorry you have experienced the same. It's a horrible situation to find yourself in. With the help of you and all the other lovely posters I have started to finally realise today that I am not being unreasonable in the least. The way my mother has behaved is totally unacceptable and extremely callous. And yes, I can safely say my relationship with my DC is, and hopefully always will be, totally different. I made a conscious decision when I had my DC that I wanted to be a better mother than mine has been to me, and at least I can say I've achieved that. I just wish my DH was here to share it. Thank you again xx

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Narnia72 · 05/08/2015 23:11

Bluebell - my heart goes out to you.

In your situation I would just totally detach. If you can't bring yourself to go NC, give just as much as is needed to cause you the least amount of stress.

I would also write 3 letters, one to your mum, one to your dad and one to your sister, telling them all the things you want to say to them about their hurtful behaviour and how you are feeling. You may decide you want to send them, or keep them. I find it really helps to get my feelings down on paper and say all the things I bottle up in my head. We have a horrible NC situation with DH's stepmother and I was obsessing about everything constantly, it really calmed me down and helped me see the situation for what it was after I wrote her a letter (which I never sent). It was very cathartic.

Is your DH's family around at all, and do they help, or can you grieve together? Also, family is always touted as all important, but often close friends can give you the "family" that you need. Lean on your friends now, they will be wanting to help but often people stay away because they don't know the right words to say or how to "fix it". Be honest with them, tell them you're struggling and you need xxxxx - a night out getting drunk, distraction therapy, to be able to sob and talk about DH, shopping, a day off, something to do with the kids, whatever. If you can, be specific about how they can help and I am sure your lovely friends will leap to help.

As for Christmas, I would book to go away with the kids. Somewhere where you are not overwhelmed with memories of your last Christmas, but a peaceful spot where you can bring the good memories to the fore. Spend the time laughing, crying and remembering the wonderful man, husband and father he was, and make it as positive as you can. It will absolutely be hard, but better than staying at home and letting your parents browbeat you into having them. Is there a special place you all loved that you could go? Take the photos you always meant to sort out and do it with the kids, talking about the memories of each one perhaps.

xx

CookieDoughKid · 06/08/2015 00:34

My advise: Totally reset your relationship with your mum and sis.
They can't offer you the support you need or even feign interest in your life. Just because they are related to you doesn't necessarily mean they are the right people that love you and support you. You don't need to live up to ideals and the world over - there are many mums and sis just like yours that disappoint and don't live up to expectations.

My mum has zero interest in our lives,she never rings or asks what we are up to day to day. I speak to her just a couple of times a year and our actual face to face conversation each times lasts for 5 minutes (really - I'm not joking). Her reason? She can't be bothered. She's actually said that to me when I was mentioned it.

Our conversations are always light hearted, surface and polite.

Honestly, she can't. She'd much prefer gossiping and be interested in trivial stuff like the neighbour next door because anything more is too taxing and also, her life has been a big disappointment in many many ways and she can't face the fact or relish the fact or take joy or support the fact that her children might just need her. It's much much too much for my mum who likes to live in her own bubble and be a self-centred witch.

Deep down, my mum loves me and I'm sure yours do. But there are limits to women like our mums who cannot and will not give more. So stop expecting it. Stop hurting yourself and know that your mum is not the mum you will ever have.

Once you accept that, you will be so much more freerer. Instead -
Invest your energies in the people that really love and can support you and who enrich your lives. Keep the rest like your mum in a box and start to dictate the time and frequency how often you want to open that box. And really, you are much much stronger than they are. And when you do open that box - you'll find things are not so bad afterall.

CookieDoughKid · 06/08/2015 00:36

Xmas? Pah - Don't give in to society norms and no - you don't have to see them. Really - you don't. You can see them day after New Years day if you want!! You only have one life. Live Xmas day like your last and spend the quality time with your dcs how you want it.

Bluebell66 · 06/08/2015 07:18

Thank you so much everybody. You all seem to have such a clear understanding of what this is like for me. It's such a relief to talk to people who do realise how hard this is and how she's making me feel on top of trying to somehow come to terms with the loss of my DH, something I don't know if I will ever do. Fantastic - you have made me realise my feelings and my need to grieve are more important than trying to please my parents, which I will never do. I like the idea of writing letters Narnia, even if I don't send them as you didn't. I'm glad it helped you. Cookie - I think that's exactly the same with my mother, she just can't be bothered. She's far more interested in some celebrity in the paper or what her neighbours are doing than her own family. I am having CBT as I have been diagnosed with severe anxiety, depression, PTSD and am stuck in "complicated grief". I have an appointment this morning so I will talk to her about some of thing things we've discussed on here. You have all been a huge source of strength to me and for that I am truly grateful. Because I am so low and fragile, I question literally every single thing I do, and constantly feel responsible for everyone else xx

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Fromparistoberlin73 · 06/08/2015 10:12

Bluebell/ I am so pleased you are having help. The problem is you are carrying 2 HUGE burdens

(1) the loss of your daring DH
(2) the pain of being in many years for a shit and toxic relationship, that's familial therefore almost inescapable

May I be as bold to say that once you start to resolve the issue of your family, you will feel loads better. the energy you have been using on getting upset about them (with good reason) can be put into building a happier life. The grief for your husband is a normal, healthy and clean emotion that kind of cant be fixed IFSWIM.

you know its not often MN brings a tear to my eye but your story has touched me. SENDING STREGNTH AND LOVE, you sound amazing and deserve better- get the help to untangle yourself XXX

CookieDoughKid · 06/08/2015 11:42

Keep well Bluebell. You will get through this patch and don't be too hard on yourself. The only one critical of you is yourself. Keep the inner voice positive OK?!!

Wishful80smontage · 06/08/2015 11:53

I'm so sorry for your loss OP it sounds like you've been incredibly brave and strong for you children.
I'm sorry you're mum is behaving like this you deserve better and she and your sister have really let you and your DCs down but I think you're right to take action now- you need to detach for the sack of your health. If your dad starts to get involved I think you need to let him know exactly whats been said in those texts and calls to put him in the picture- but please (I say this with a heavy heart) expect that he may well excuse your mother and sisters behaviour or minimise it all in order to avoid reaction from your mum and sis although I hope I'm wrong on that.
All the best OP

Bluebell66 · 06/08/2015 17:32

FromParis - you are so right, and thank you for being bold. This has taken up too much of my emotional energy for too long now. I am drained, and I need all the energy I can muster to go towards trying to build a new life for myself and my DC. They don't deserve my loyalty and time. Thank you for your kind words, strength and love. It means more than you know xx

Cookie - I know I am very critical of myself, it's what I've been taught. But I am really trying to acknowledge the fact that I have been strong for my DC and kept the home and family life going as much as possible, with no support from my family. I am proud of myself for that.

Wishful - they have let me down. I will never be able to forgive them. If that makes me a bad person, then so be it, but I have given them more than enough chances. I am trying to prepare myself for that conversation with my Dad, and I fully expect, as you say, that he will defend my mother and my sister. I just hope I am strong enough to deal with it xx

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FantasticButtocks · 06/08/2015 17:44

Just focus on your needs when having the conversation with your dad. "I feel unsupported. I am grieving. I don't want to talk about this now. I need some headspace, a break.." etc (if you don't talk about your M and sis then he won't be able to defend them)

Bluebell66 · 06/08/2015 18:19

That's really good advice Fantastic - when you put it like that, I feel more like I could stand up for myself and not let him get the better of me. Thank you. I think I'm actually starting to realise that my needs are more important than their's.

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Wishful80smontage · 06/08/2015 18:32

You are not the bad person in any of this OP I'm just so sorry that the people who are supposed to be there for you have let you down when you most need them- you deserve better please keep that in the forefront of your mind x

AcrossthePond55 · 06/08/2015 21:31

I think SDT is spot on. I'm so sorry you have such a disappointing family.

Don't think you would be a burden to your friend. My own BFF spent the holidays with us for years because her family was so dysfunctional and it was really just like having another sister. She, also, was the one who 'did' the holidays for her family and after one horrible year where they complained about everything she said or did, she said never again and started to come to ours.

Build yourself a 'new' family.