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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to think DH has crossed a line?

60 replies

YaldyGal · 29/07/2015 12:07

Some background first:
DS is twenty months old and after he was born I struggled with (probably mild, although it didn’t feel like that at the time) post-natal anxiety. I sought treatment and I think I was back to my old self by about the time DS was five months old. During this time, DH was an absolute star, working and taking care of both me and DS. The reason I am sharing this background is that I wonder if it has any impact on the way DH is behaving now, like maybe it took a greater toll on him than either of us realised.

Cut to now, and the behaviour of my DH just seems to be getting progressively worse and worse over the past few months. He seems stressed and angry a lot of the time, and will lash out at me without warning (just verbally, not physically). He loves DS very much and is very good with him but he can also find spending time with him stressful because DH is a worrier, and so when he feels anxious he can be (imo) a bit sharp or huffy with DS. This is not all the time, it’s just every now and then a situation will occur where he gets really wound up at something which I see as quite minor (DS getting food in his hair or refusing to put shoes on when we need to go somewhere, for example.) When these situations occur I often to bite my tongue because usually me trying to tackle the situation head on only exacerbates it, whereas if I ignore it he usually calms himself down. (I sometimes will then talk to him later about it when things are more calm, if I think it was something that needs addressing.)

However, last night I feel like he crossed a line with his behaviour, but I might be over-sensitive to all this so I want to know whether you think I’m over-reacting or if you would be upset about it too. DH was giving DS his bath (DH gets stressed because DS likes to stand up and walk about and then slips all over the place). I was in the next room and suddenly heard him say “DS, for FUCK’s sake” directly to him. He really hissed it at DS, not like in a jokey way. DS was crying and it turned out that he had managed to headbutt DH’s chin in the midst of him wriggling in the tub. So I appreciate that DH was hurt, but so was DS and he is too young to understand how awkward he was being in the run up to the incident.

I went through and got DS out of the bath and away from DH. I wasn’t worried that he would actually hurt him or anything, but I was worried that they would both keep on winding each other up. Later on DH seemed very remorseful about it. He did try to excuse it as ‘instinct’ though, that he hadn’t been able to control his reaction at the time. I responded that I had managed to keep my initial reaction in check, which was to run in and lamp him for talking to DS that way, tbh. AIBU for thinking that he crossed a line by speaking in this way to DS, or am I just hyper-sensitive because his behaviour generally has been winding me up? I’ve never posted on MN before but I’m genuinely perplexed and I don’t want to potentially over-react to something minor.

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TattyDevine · 29/07/2015 12:42

This wouldn't faze me to be honest. End of a long day, kid head butts you, its bloody annoying and stressful. I'm pretty sure it won't damage your child in any way. If I'm wrong, consider mine damaged.

Mulligrubs · 29/07/2015 12:43

Posted to soon!

Anyway, he sounds very stressed. I am very anxious and do easily get stressed by my DS's behaviour sometimes. What has helped me is having a plan to deal with it. If my DS is just doing toddlery things and I begin feeling stressed I give myself a time out. Usually calms me. If DS is behaving badly - hitting, touching things he knows he shouldn't I distract him first, warn him if it continues, reward if he does what he is told (could he a high five or swing him in the air which he loves Grin) or punish if he continues (take object away etc.)

Having a set plan helps me feel calm and usually works for us, every child and parent is different though of course!

You say he snaps at you and without warning though which is.unacceptable so definitely something you need to raise with him. If he is very anxious he may need to see a GP.

MagicMojito · 29/07/2015 12:45

I'd be in trouble, I really try not to swear in front of DC but "ffs" seems to be the phrase that slips out more often than I'd like Blush especially in situations like the one you have just described!

YaldyGal · 29/07/2015 12:57

Thanks all, you've raised some really good points. I'm glad that the thinking is that IABU, I needed to get some perspective on the situation and realise that my DH is allowed some slack.

My main worry I think is that it is an escalation of his previous behaviour, even if the event within itself is in the realms of everyday parenting iyswim. The comment was aimed directly at DS rather than as an aside which is what alarmed me - I have heard him swear (and have done so plenty times myself!) as an aside rather than directly to DS. So even if the action in itself isn't really anything to worry about from DS's point of view, it worries me because it marks a change, for me anyway.

One poster mentioned something about different people finding different stages of parenting difficult - I think this has hit the nail on the head very well. He found it much easier looking after a docile baby I think, whereas I am the opposite and am enjoying this stage much more now.

In any case, I will leave the swearing incident but try to broach in a positive way the idea of him getting some help. It's just gutting to see him like this and my previous approach of letting him sort it out in his own time doesn't seem to be working.

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Epilepsyhelp · 29/07/2015 13:05

It sounds like he didn't judge you when you were struggling but you are now judging him.

YaldyGal · 29/07/2015 13:09

Epilepsyhelp Yes that is my worry as well, that he supported me but I'm failing to support him in the same way. I'm worried that if I suggest help he will see it as being judged.

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HoggleHoggle · 29/07/2015 13:14

Can you not just have an honest conversation about it? Dh and I have had one recently as I didn't think either of us were doing things right judging by some of ds's behaviour. We came up with a plan and ds's behaviour has been so much better since. It's ok to not know the answer it's really hard and all children are different. As wife and co-parent can you not chat to dh about coping strategies? It doesn't have to come from a judgemental place.

PurpleSwift · 29/07/2015 13:17

I think yabu. Has your OH got any good ways of dealing with his stress though? I think he needs to be looking into dealing with his stress long term. Toddlers are frustrating. Situations like this I kinda hold my breath count to five and remind myself LO doesn't know any better. The urge to say FFS! tends to have passed by then....

LadyDeirdreWaggon · 29/07/2015 13:21

Slightly off the point but have you got a rubber bath mat? DS likes to stand up in the bath so I got two mats so the whole bottom of the bath is covered.

Idontseeanydragons · 29/07/2015 13:21

I think you both need to remember you're a team and have a calm honest discussion about how you're going to deal with the more stressful situations. Toddlers can be about 3 steps ahead of us at times and the most minor things can end up growing into something huge.
Neither of you are being U really, the swearing thing isn't crossing a line - more of a stopping point that makes you think about how you're both coping maybe?
Thanks For you, I've left the toddler years behind me for the last time thank God!

Tanith · 29/07/2015 13:23

I am a paragon of childcare. I never, ever swear and I keep myself under iron control at all times.

Except for the time DS hit me in the eye with a jigsaw piece. It actually blistered my eye. I didn't know exactly what I said at the time, but DS happily repeated it for weeks and it really wasn't good BlushBlush

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 29/07/2015 13:23

The idea of him getting some help

Do you think he really needs help? Are you now a FT sahm? Is the entire household income down to your DH?

Do you think that perhaps he is just knackered, and grumpy and not getting out [with you] much or getting much exercise and / or sleep?

The first 6 months are the worst I think but if you look back both your lives have probably changed beyond measure?

YaldyGal · 29/07/2015 13:26

We have chatted before, and he knows I'm worried. His parents have also spoken to him about it. We've never discussed getting professional help though. I will try to pick a good time and see how we get on.

The suggestion to discuss and agree coping strategies for DS, which a few posters mentioned, is a good one too. I think that would help us both.

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pommedeterre · 29/07/2015 13:31

Bath mats in the bath?
Im with the majority here, FFS when head butted is not an issue. You need to think more carefully about the behaviours which are upsetting you before talking to him about them.

YaldyGal · 29/07/2015 13:32

TreadSoftly No we both work FT and he is on AL at the moment. He likes his job for the most part although obviously it causes some stresses from time to time as most jobs do. DS sleeps through so no problems there although I think lifestyle wise he could probably be a bit more healthy, do a bit more exercise (he used to do more, had to cut back a bit when baby was born and hasn't got himself back to the same level yet).

What you're saying though sounds like the rationale that I've been going through over the past few months to try to justify why things are difficult: my PNA, me going back to work, sleeplessness which was an issue up till about six months ago (DS is currently 20 months). All things that would cause a strain on anyone. Now I feel like we're at a point where all being well there shouldn't really be the level of stress and anxiety that there is, iyswim.

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TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 29/07/2015 13:36

Bathmat plus sticky bathmat spots here. Sodding things are always going mouldy underneath but at least I've stopped roaring at the kids to "SIT DOWN" as soon as they even squat.

Plus they can't slide up and down on the floor of the bath creating a tidal wave..... Grin

Reflexive response. I wouldn't get too het up about it unless he completely kicked off and started shouting at your DS.

I work FT and I hate bath time at the end of a working day. It's not a remotely "relaxing" or bonding time with my children. My arse.

I'd have been a great Victorian Dad admittedly. Pat on the head in the study at bedtime Blush

Gruntfuttock · 29/07/2015 13:39

Can't you just be kind, supportive and loving (and forgiving!) to each other, instead of all this "He needs help" overreaction? It's hard, you're both tired and stressed. Be nice and understanding to each other.

thecatsarecrazy · 29/07/2015 13:40

Its a knee jerk reaction. My son did something stupid the other day. I cant actually remember what now but at the time I was annoyed and said ffs. I felt bad afterwards.

YaldyGal · 29/07/2015 13:40

Yep, just to reassure you all, we do have a bath mat! I agree, the mould thing does my head in but there's no way round it. We tried a bath without it once and it was utter carnage.

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TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 29/07/2015 13:43

Now I feel like we're at a point where all being well there shouldn't really be the level of stress and anxiety that there is, iyswim.

I could have written that. DH is much better since he started getting a lot more exercise, and a social life. He now goes out at least twice a month on a school night and I try to do similar, and have just signed up to a regular exercise thing. We are still pretty bad at getting a babysitter and getting time out just ourselves though.

I am constantly stressed and irritable though so I identify with your husband even though we also both work FT. I just can't seem to snap out of it. On paper there is nothing wrong with my life. I think I am just constantly anxious and stressing over my mental To Do list which is just endless. A huge amount of self imposed demands mostly I think but I am starting to wonder if I have mild depression.

Have a holiday booked which is hopefully going to be some serious forced downtime as there is no wifi, and nothing to do except beach/eat and play with the kids. Off to the doctor when I get back if there is no improvement.

nikki1978 · 29/07/2015 13:46

Yes YABU. The other day I said to my 8 year old "FGS stop being a dickhead". Things slip out when you are hurt or very cross.

YaldyGal · 29/07/2015 13:47

Tread, I'm sorry to hear you're dealing with similar issues. I hope the holiday helps, and if not it's great that you are being proactive about trying to change the situation.

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HoldYerWhist · 29/07/2015 13:50

I didn't let my dc toddle around the bath either! More hassle than its worth tbh.

And I swear like a sailor! Not at them or around them if I can help it but stuff has slipped out.

I need you need to ease off a bit and, yes, be more supportive.

YaldyGal · 29/07/2015 13:58

OK, now I have had time to reflect and consider all your good suggestions, I think I am going to do the following:

  1. Apologise to DH for flying off the handle.
  2. Discuss and agree coping strategies for dealing with situations like bath time
  3. Try to encourage him to get out a bit more and do more exercise again.
  4. Try to respond to his anger/anxiety in a more positive way.

If none of the above works then I will think about tackling the issue of getting outside help.

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Mulligrubs · 29/07/2015 14:01

Sounds like a good plan OP