to point out that tory voters are far from being in the majority

[IceBeing]

to the labour party...because they seem to have forgotten.

24.4% of the eligible population voted tory in the last election. At less than 1 in 4, tory voters are a long long way from being in the majority.

Why the hell would labour go after those voters rather than the biggest section of potential voters...the 33.9% who found nothing in politics worth voting for?

It doesn't really need to be pointed out, there was plenty of election coverage and we all know what happened. And we pretty much all know how the FPTP voting system works. I don't think it's a very good system personally, but it's the one we currently have, so it might be better to point out what viable alternatives you think there are.

ice - no government (labour or conservative) have ever had a MAJORITY - I could wheel out the figures but I can't be bothered
all right -
1997 - Labour 43% of the vote
2001 - Labour 40% of the vote
2005 - Labour 35% of the vote
2010 - Conservative 36% of the vote

Christ, Labour voters are bitter wretches

The main argument for FPTP is that it keeps a link between constituencies and their MPs, in theory at least. Of course not all MPs make an effort for their constituencies (Ed "Invisible Ed" Balls springs to mind) but the ones that do work tirelessly for their areas and have real local knowledge and commitment. Simon Danczuk's work exposing the child grooming scandal is an example. I think without local FPTP and the constituency link we'd get even more of the centralised party-bot apparatchiks than we already have.

Op they won the majority they needed. That's what's it's called. Wether you accept it or not.....they won. The terminology is 'a majority'

That's the phrase used. You are looking at majority to mean 'most', which I agree with you on that. The terminology isn't quite right. But that's what it's called. In election lingo they won and formed a majority government.

Which no one wants changing.

Yanbu

It's not unreasonable to be upset or angry that a party is in power that will take money from disabled people & lone parents. I have two lone parent friends, one is full time and one part. Both lose over 1000 a year! How is that right! Working families loosing thousands in one go? Talk of dismantling the NHS, sickness and maternity pay etc. This is why people are scared as they don't want to go back to pre-war times.any Tory MPs (and voters) see Welfare as a lifestyle choice. Lone parents and people with disabilities do not choose it. Why punish all to target the few that are sought out in Murdoch's rags.

Do Tory voters feel OK with cuts to disabled people and working poor? This includes two full-time working parents on minimum wage loosing 1000 upwards a year. How is that OK?

They still got more than labour, simples!!

It's not unreasonable to be upset or angry that a party is in power that will take money from disabled people & lone parents. I have two lone parent friends, one is full time and one part. Both lose over 1000 a year! How is that right!

It's right because they never hid the fact that they would make stringent cuts, and more people voted for that than voted for any other single party's manifesto.

Do I like it? No. But at the election, more people agreed with David Cameron than me. That's a fact.

They had the amount of votes to get them the amount of seats which put them first past the post.

That's the way it works in the UK. We knew they'd won but didn't have a majority when taken from nationwide votes from the day the votes were taken.

So we knew this from day one.

So who are you trying to inform?.

And I didn't vote for them but this repeated 'ooh the majority aren't Tory voters' is pointless.

We know. We knew on election day. But they are the government and will be here till (or beyond depending on votes) till the next general election.

I'm no Tory lover, but this IS democracy. This is the type of democracy that people all over the world are imprisoned or worse for demanding. You might not like your choices, or the FPTP system, but there is free choice for numerous political parties, no intimidation at polling booth, not a single sniff of corruption in vote counting. How dare you complain that it isn't democracy.

Did you read the whole thread IceBeing? People have already pointed out the similarity to Blair's mid term majority.

Yet I don't remember Tory voters banging on

And on

And on

About it.

Until the Labour party and some posters on here, thinking that people are misguided or "Wicked" For voting Conservative they will never get elected !.

Some posters on here think they are like " missionaries" promoting the good of the Labour party against "SATAN" the TORY party!.

This attitude is why the Labour party will be out of power until it elects , someone who is at the most 5% to the left of the Conservative party.

The point about not being a majority is "hilarious" , the poster is obviously unaware that on average a Labour MP is elected with 2-3000 votes less than a Conservative MP.

There was a massive in-balance and this was equal to a 20-25 seat advantage for the Labour party based on the same voter percentage as the Conservative party. This was exploited by Tony Blair in 2001+2005 elections.

The perception that everybody who did not vote would be more likely to vote Labour is "rubbish". This proves too many posters have spent too long at University and away from normal people!

The majority of people , that can't be bothered to vote associate more with Nigel Farage or Nick Griffin than with Owen Jones or Jeremy Corbyn.

I wish our lives were settled enough that the election was just a case of "my team won, your team lost".

Doesn't matter that people are dying as long as you "win" your little game, right? It's all a game of polo.

WTAF?

I have two lone parent friends, one is full time and one part. Both lose over 1000 a year! How is that right! Working families loosing thousands in one go?

It all depends on your viewpoint. Why did they have the money in the first place? Ah, yes, it was Labour buying popularity; bribing the electorate with their own money.
Why do working families need Government money? That is crazy. They should get a decent wage in the first place so that they don't need top-ups.

You have been brainwashed by Labour into thinking that it is normal for most families to have state help. It's about time we got out of that mindset.

Actually, I remember continual complaints from the right wing that Labour's government was not a majority. I also remember even more complaints that Gordon Brown did not have a mandate from the electorate (even though John Major was also elected as party leader whilst they were in government).

It's a popular complaint made by whoever is not in power at the time, regardless of their political colours.

In 1997 the party I didn't vote for won the election.

It took me about an hour to get over it.

Would you please do the fucking same.

In 5 years you'll get another go.

Although if is were you I'd be a little concerned given the way your current leadership "battle" us shaping up.

We need electoral reform. I'd like to see proportional representation. STV I suppose.

Wasn't there already a vote on electoral reform?

Didn't the 'majority' want to stick with FPTP?

Was it all just a dream?

It is no use. Complaining. I do not like the conservative party.

I accept they have won.

You cannot include, the people who do not vote.

So you can only look at those who do and like, has been said once a party hits a level they have won the majority of seats.

Unfortunately I think a large proportion of people have absolutely no qualms in seeing the working poor become poorer.

I have actually listened to a teacher recently say they welcome the day when children no longer receive free prescription glasses.

What a nice world we live in .

The vote on electoral reform was about the alternative vote which is not proportional representation.

Do Tory voters feel OK with cuts to disabled people and working poor? This includes two full-time working parents on minimum wage loosing 1000 upwards a year. How is that OK?

Well, as other posters have already mentioned, you need to address the reason why we are in this scenario in the first place, when Gorden brought tax credits to the table rather than implement a decent minimum wage and take on the big businesses, he decided to go against the left leaning back benchers and decided to try and create a state reliant voter block whilst actively flooding the unskilled market as a snub to the Tories.

You may also want to ask labour supporters (I think ~50% who are in favour of welfare reform) because I'm sure they have also been taken in by the propaganda....

I personally really like these threads as there is the inevitable "I'm not a labour supporter" because then I automatically imagine them as a Kipper, they are really the people who got shafted with the FPTP system, something the 'non labour' supporters gloss over when they question democracy as well ignoring labours recent wins or the fact we will never have an outright majority again.

As for your OP, you can't target the non voters and to assume they are all left leaning is making massive presumptions, labour can dive to the left all they want, the country is run in the middle ground.