AIBU and PFB or is there a serious flaw in our job market?

[Fatstacks]

I may be over reacting and pfb about this so prepared to be told so.

DS 18 is at college, 13.5 hrs a week so needs a job as well.

After many many applications he got a job at a bakery, night shifts on £4 per hour which ended when he turned 18 and his nmw increased risk

Next he got an interview and two day training course to sell heating boilers.
No salary, all commission, no expenses, he needed a suit and it was doorstep selling..... exactly where people buy boilers

Then he started work at a nearby factory on the production line. A zero hour contract where he turns up at 6am to be either put to work or sent home. He hasn't had a shift for four weeks, he gets up at five and goes to wait at the gates and is also charged £3.50 per week admin, whether he works or not

Now on Wednesday he has an interview for a pot washing job, it's a care home staff bank and they told him he will need a DBS certification which he has to pay £65 for! To wash pots!

I'm older and luckily have had the same job forever so no clue but surely we are doing something wrong?

It's costing Him money to try and go to work.

I'm thoroughly pissed off.

AIBU?

How racist and narrow minded of you Angular

Look in places such as B&Q, Asda, Tesco. Lots of older gentlemen stacking shelves and pushing trolleys.

Not every fucking problem in this country is down to migrants.

If he is willing to work Night shifts try supermarkets. Or Darkstores They often have issues getting night staff so if he would do 2-3 nights a week they will be more than happy/

I expect he can swim maybe he could get a life guarding cert and depending where you are try and get a summer job at the pool or beach. I work at a hotel and have a slot for a waiter but now sifting over 100 cv's. Vintage Inns seem to always be wanting waiters or maybe Beefeater or Harvester.

How racist and narrow minded of you Angular

Not at all. I'm stating the facts. I'm not against migration but pointing out that most of the crap, low paid jobs are done by EU migrants.

That is really shit-really feel for him (and you)
I'd second the life guarding idea-I was never short of work when I had that qualification.

Angular not where I live, the traditional first rung jobs are staffed by older people. The migrant population here have good jobs at on of two massive local factories and their wives don't work. Your location might be different but please don't think every town has your experience.

Not at all racist, I worked in a factory and about 80% were EU migrants, also a lot of the delivery drivers are and the young man delivering leaflets in our street was, it's because they are generally hard working and reliable. Retail is often done by older people though.

Has he tried getting a pot washing job at a restaurant (not a care home) where we are places are crying out for them.

It is hard but there are ways of getting them - both my 18 year old and 20 year old siblings have had jobs through school/college that they got off their own back - as did I - you don't need 'mummy and daddy' to get them for you as a previous poster said.

Most restaurants/bars will snap up switched on and presentable young people with interpersonal skills and common sense.

My 58 year old DF is after a supermarket shelf stacking job. He is a postman who fears for his job every day - he has had three accidents in a couple of years, two of which weren't his fault - which is a sackable offence. He has also had a leg op recently but has been put on a walking round so yes, that end of the job market is a competition between the young and inexperienced and older people with work experience and rent to pay.

My DB has been quite lucky with with work and started off washing up in a pub. He's hardly on a stellar career trajectory but he's got a front of house job in a hotel having gradually built from that starting point.

The lifeguarding idea is a good one, or maybe a course like basic food hygiene to get something vocational begins him?

Or how about something entrepreneurial? Is he green-fingered? Could he wash windows? Cook?

By the way, an enhanced DBS is £44. Someone is taking the piss and probably isn't worth working for.

Oh - I worked with adults with learning disabilities at that age. Tough, tough work but worth doing.

Sounds grim.

So why not take all that effort and start a business?
Instead of trying to prove to someone else that he can make them money, and in turn deserves a wage, why not teach him to prove to himself that he can make money, and deserves every bit of that money?

The flaw in the job market is that everyone expects everyone else to give them a living, and so few people actually take responsibility for their own futures. Dependancy breeds more dependancy. But then I started mopping floors at 12, and kids are just crippled by the nanny state these days. They never get the chance to learn how to earn money for themselves.

But then I started mopping floors at 12, and kids are just crippled by the nanny state these days. They never get the chance to learn how to earn money for themselves.

OP's DS is hardly sitting on his arse waiting for a job to fall into his lap, is he?

Has he tried getting a pot washing job at a restaurant (not a care home)...
Or pot washing at a cannabis farm? Relaxing environment. Free suntan.

OP's DS is hardly sitting on his arse waiting for a job to fall into his lap, is he? I never said he was. My post quite clearly drew the distinction between teaching someone to ask other people for the chance to prove to them you could be worth employing, and learning to earn money for yourself. I started at 12, and I remarked that the nanny state has legislated against that, so youthful entrepreneurship has been nipped in the bud.

So why not take all that effort and start a business

Oh yeah. Maybe he can do Forever Living or some of that rubbish!

Any suggestions for a business when he's got no startup capital and won't be able to get any from a

What is his passion?

It isn't baking, peddling boilers, or assembling widgets, so what is he really passionate about?

Fast food restaurants are always advertising- my 18 yr old Ds has worked at one for the last 2 years. He says they are desperate for staff but no one wants to work there.

Could he do garden maintenance/odd job things? I'd pay a few quid a week flr grass cutting and help with painting stuff. Though this depends how much spare cash people in your community have.

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So you started a business mopping floors at 12? Precisely how did you pay for your liability insurance, your pension responsibilities, your COSHH training?

What course is he doing - could he find something complimentary to that or do a second course maybe do some excel and Microsoft office courses and go on agency books for call centre work?

placeofjustice Now there is a post dripping with bitterness and unfulfilled ambition. I did suggest starting a business, not buying one of leasing someone else's idea of a business and paying them fees. But then, that is the difference between understanding why some succeed and some fail, and that is the sort of learning every business person has to go through. And no, you don't need capital to start a business. You just need ambition, hard work, determination, and a refusal to quit.

Sid Ds doesn't need to earn (I did read that he was looking for volunteer post as well, Didn't I?) then has he tried British Red Cross? They do much more than event first aid, admin, family searching, work with asylum seekers, home from hospital, befriending, camouflage make up, supporting with fire and emergency aftermath FESS. Great organisation to be a volunteer for, very professional set up, training courses, feedback, counselling, team meetings and events. Well worth while.
Best of luck.

So you started a business mopping floors at 12? Precisely how did you pay for your liability insurance, your pension responsibilities, your COSHH training? Wow. We are bitter. Read the post. I acknowledged (twice) that I realised the government had legislated the possibility of children being entrepreneurial out of society. If however as an adult you cannot figure out how to start a business, that explains failure perfectly well.

ellie

Nope, no bitterness. Just extreme irritation when the "start a business " line is trotted out like it's a panacea. My questions are serious. How does hard work , determination and ambition pay for the things a simple cleaning business legally requires (listed in post above )