to think it is fair enough that High earners, earning £30000 pa have to pay market rates for social housing.

[NoahVale]

www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jul/04/david-cameron-ally-rohan-silva-firms-must-be-forced-raise-low-pay

I spose there has to be a cut off somewhere, and I spose it helps that I dont earn £30,000,
no doubt if it was just in the bracket I might feel a bit peeved.

Interested how this applies to London. I live in an area which used to be horrible but is now highly fashionable. A 2 bed flat is easily £2000k a month if not more. If you are living in a two parent household both earning say £20k which is not a great deal, how on earth are you supposed to afford 'market rate', it is more than the take home pay for one wage.

Fine to say move to a cheaper area and get a mortgage/shared ownership but how are people without savings, aged say in their forties or fifties meant to do that? At that age it is often difficult to uproot, find a new job and leave your friends, community and family behind.

I also wonder what is going to happen to the people privately renting when they reach retirement age. Are they going to rely on HB or is the government going to arrange some sort of workhouse-like accommodation for them to live in.

Jelly have you not read all the posts about how people will be either reducing their incomes so they don't have to pay the extra or buying? Or claiming HB topups when they don't now? Do you seriously think this is actually going to free up any SH?

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Fine to say move to a cheaper area and get a mortgage/shared ownership but how are people without savings, aged say in their forties or fifties meant to do that? At that age it is often difficult to uproot, find a new job and leave your friends, community and family behind.

there are plenty of places in London where a 2-bed is less than 2000k a month. So, you can move there, and keep your job. Yes, you don't get to take your community with you.

what is MORALLY WRONG is robbing landlord scum charging the earth for their shit holes!!

they are charging what they can get.

What is morally wrong is the rampant nimbyism across this country.

One person earning this figure is one thing, they're doing really well. Five in a two bed flat, with two earning FT and two PT just means either oldest working child has to leave home, or PT worker has to stop working, as market rents here are stupidly high.

Neighbours have had a furious family row and told two eldest they will have to drop their hours as their wages aren't enough to fund a doubled rent, and them working is risking the families security.

I think if I was in that position, I would work less hours to stay in social housing rather than pay £1000s more to either stay put or rent a slightly cheaper shithole in another area.

One person earning this figure is one thing, they're doing really well. Five in a two bed flat, with two earning FT and two PT just means either oldest working child has to leave home, or PT worker has to stop working, as market rents here are stupidly high

exactly

and keepitsimple what is nimbyism??

Pestolavista it's a total no brainer for absolutely everyone I know in social housing.

Everyone I know who will be affected, has lower wages, and older children
still at home on even lower wages, or other relatives squeezed in with them, as well as younger children, and their area's gone upmarket.

The household income is several people each on quite small amounts of money, made up of pensions, PIP, and low paid work, all sharing and taking care of each other.

One of neighbour's kids was arguing about liking her job, and got called selfish and greedy.

Dirty
nimbyism
Not In My Back Yard = nimby

i.e. yes of course we should build more houses (just so long as they are nowhere near my house).

All this emotive tripe about people having lived in area 20 years, all my friends are here, my mum lives down the road, my children are at the local school, etc etc. Its guff.

Plenty of people move house for jobs and family reasons. There is absolutely no reason why anyone has a right to demand they be subsidised so they can continue to live in an area they cannnot afford.

I used to live in a large 2 bed flat in Pimlico which is worth several million. To stay in that area and bring up two children in a small but decent 4 bed family house with a little garden would cost me of the order of £7,000 per month or a purchase price of £4.5 of £5 million.

I now live in an area of the UK which is much much cheaper that I can afford in a decent family house with a small garden.

But I still loved living in Pimlico. My friends were there. It was convenient for work. Why did I have to move out. I had a right to live there didn't I?

Its tosh!

ah right chaz I see

ha

that's my MIL then. she is cross as hell cos some new build housing is being built on the land at the back of her (massive, paid for) house IT WILL MAKE MY HOUSE WORTH LESS, WAAAA

And that is exactly what people will do pestolavista. The rest of the population can like it or they can lump it, but it is what is going to happen.

I certainly wouldn't move from my area, I have Cerebral Palsy, my support network is here (family and friends plus healthcare), I can't drive so unfortunately I need help getting to appointments and I work, I would struggle to get another job in this climate.

So for me it's not tosh.

its what I will do and everyone I have spoken to on this subject that are in SH are also intending to do the same. so I completely agree with muff

MoreBeta i take it then that i will never see you post on here about how elderly care of relatives is down to family because after all if they have moved for work....................

Where do you live now MoreBeta?

Isn't the Govt also forcing councils to sell off properties when the tenant moves out? I think that is something like £400k in London for a two bed. I imagine most flats in my area would fetch that. Not that I see a conspiracy or anything.

MoreBeta i take it then that i will never see you post on here about how elderly care of relatives is down to family because after all if they have moved for work

of course it is. but maybe you'll have to travel a bit?

My elderly relatives live in another country. Can I just bring them here and get them a place?

I used to live in a large 2 bed flat in Pimlico which is worth several million. To stay in that area and bring up two children in a small but decent 4 bed family house with a little garden would cost me of the order of £7,000 per month or a purchase price of £4.5 of £5 million.

apparently, we should all be supporting you to live there.

When does this right of permanent residence kick in? I've been living in my neighbourhood for 8 years.

Place marking

If I don't reduce my hours to say under threshold ,If I don't use my RTB , I still won't give up my council tenancy .

I will suck up the rent increase for the security of my tenancy , no way will I ever move to a private rented home if I can help it .., why would I ?

This will not free up any SH at all !

same here toofat

security of tenure is so important

this will not free up any social housing, there may be a handful but it will be negligible really, these tenants might have left anyway

security of tenure is so important

indeed. Why is that only available to council tenants? Other places make that the law for private tenancies as well.

We will be reducing our hours to make sure we come in below the threshold.

Or couples will split up to stay beneath the threshold. I think that may happen.

Will also be reducing our hours, 350 a month more is crazy.

I'm hoping it will be slightly staggered. There is no way it is the same that a childless couple on 30k in social housing is the same as a family of 4 on 30k in social housing so I'm hoping it takes children into account!

indeed. Why is that only available to council tenants? Other places make that the law for private tenancies as well

absolutely 100% agree there

should be the same for private tenants too