To think where is the outrage to 15 British slaughtered in Tunisia

[Inkanta]

I think there was a time when the British would be outraged but are we numbing out to these atrocities now. We were outraged when ISIS started these beheadings and now we seem to be getting used to that as well.

[Kardamyli]

Green, we are all entitled to our opinions. You may think I am stupid, but the way things are going the more extreme tenets of Islam are managing to inspire fear and terror into anyone who doesn't agree with their warped views. I think it would be helpful if all Muslims who don't agree with those extreme views came out and said so as vocally as possible. That way everyone (or nearly everyone) in the UK would feel they were against a common enemy. As it is, I think lots of Muslims in the UK would be delighted if the UK was turned into a Muslim country with all that entails.

[chantico]

'and pro-action'

What action do you want? Or think should be considered?

[SirChenjin]

The lack of condemnation against isis from Muslims often makes me think that deep down they approve of everything isis stands for

That's not fair - there is plenty of condemnation from Muslims. However, I do agree with the first half of your post - if I was part of something which had a belief system which generated so much hatred then I would expect a widespread review of that whole belief system and structure from the people who didn't believe that. Even the more moderate end of Islam which shuns homosexuality and equal rights should be looking inwards, imo. I suppose I feel that I just don't see that.

[Wideopenspace]

Kard - and your answer to my point?

Or am I going with you agreeing with the NF?

[GreenAugustLion]

New flip flops...if you're directly affected by a tragedy then of course that's 'all' you will be thinking about. I wouldn't expect those affected by the Church shootings to be wringing their hands avout things going on anywhere else at the moment.
Your post made no sense.

[ghostyslovesheep]

Yeah they do Kardamyli - and they pay a huge price - you realise IS have killed many many Muslims who oppose them?

I feel sorry for British Muslims - I have an Irish father and a very very Irish name - I grew up in the 80's - no one EVER expected me to apologise for the IRA - ever.

I was treated badly by lots of people though - because of my name

[SisterNancySinatra]

The British government has alwYs been business as usual attitude , since the war and got us through the war. Cameron can't get hysterical , he still has to show support to Tunisian government .

[ghostyslovesheep]

news.yahoo.com/isis-gruesome-muslim-death-toll-094500438--politics.html

[HagOtheNorth]

Perhaps the West should have left well alone and let the tyrants keep their populations fighting an internal war. The Arab Spring has been a nightmare for millions.

[alsmutko]

That's very interesting Ghosty thanks for sharing.

[SmilingHappyBeaver]

Cameron tried to do something about it in August/Sept 2013, seeking agreement from Parliament to launch military strikes against Syria to stop it gassing it's own people. This was blocked.

If the security services try to increase surveillance, the Government is harangued by those demanding stricter privacy laws, effectively passing the risk of preventable terrorism onto those people and children unlucky enough to be caught up and killed or maimed in future terrorist acts.

People are terrified to discuss the issues we face because they fear direct backlashes from certain groups (as per Charlie Hebdo and the Danish Cartoonists), or fear being labelled racist. So there can be no meaningful social debate.

[DioneTheDiabolist]

Most of the people who are actually fighting ISIS are Muslim. Do you want them to stop fighting and take the time to apologise for what their enemy has done?

[PtolemysNeedle]

I'm not outraged about it. I can't see how feeling high levels of rage is going to be at all helpful. I'm shocked and I'm sad and I'm slightly fearful of what will happen next, but rage will only fuel the fire and be something destructive, not positive.

I certainly don't feel any more sad for the British people than I do for the people who come from any other countries. They are all people who have families who love them.

[Signlake]

take the time to apologise

I thought posters were suggesting condemning not apologising. Also considering that the fighting is happening in a muslim area, I'm not sure who else would be fighting

[Inkanta]

'What action do you want? Or think should be considered?'

I mean't pro-action as in a doing frame of mind - meaning being on with it, dealing with it, determined and not giving up. I don't technically know what needs to be done or what can be done but I think that if we move into complacency and apathy then we're up shit creek.

[scaevola]

Interesting link, ghosty especially:

"But when you read the details of the UN report, you realize the common thread in ISIS’ killings of Muslims has nothing to do with Islam. It has to do with absolute power. It doesn’t matter if you are a Sunni cleric or a Christian woman, your choice is to submit to ISIS or die."

[Only1scoop]

I get where you are coming from Op. I've had thoughts very similar following the most recent atrocities.

[Wideopenspace]

OP - it should comfort you to know, then, as I mentioned upthread, that there is more education in schools about this issue than ever before, more interagency collaboration - there is little complacency amongst the people tasked with dealing with this sort of issue.

[NewFlipFlops]

Green, my post made perfect sense. Two people I know were wringing their hands about the US church shootings and they are English-born West Indians. The reason they were upset, and were not wringing their hands about other killings in the same week nor focusing their thoughts on being citizens of the world, is that they (rightly IMO) felt targeted by the atrocity and were outraged. Similarly, if a laughing gunman targets the pale people enjoying that most innocent of activities, a beach holiday, then I am going to feel targeted and outraged and not really in the mood right now to focus on other killings elsewhere. I am going to identify with and empathise with the people who are more like me. OK?

[Kardamyli]

Sorry for slow reply WIDE, my internet connection crashed. lol at the NF being as much of a problem as radical Islam. I've yet to hear of NF plots to blow up innocent people. The most they seem to manage to do is to organise marches and throw a few sausages at mosques. Given that the type of person who would join the NF is likely to be a bit dim they are unlikely as an organisation to manage much more. Just to be clear though, if they did start to commit atrocities I would condemn them in the same way I condemn radical muslims.

There's no NF where I live, plenty of Muslims though.

[Wideopenspace]

new why are they 'more like you'?

People are people.

[LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726]

Gratuitous ranting, calling for condemnation on a chatboard is mawkish and actually offensive.

If the PM is ham-strung on his/her decisions it's because the politicians are not behind them. Wouldn't that be a place to start, lobbying our local politicians and MP? I've written to mine this morning and have done so previously, he must be fed up with my letters by now but it's my way of expressing my total disgust at this and other acts of violence.

[NewFlipFlops]

Why are my black colleagues empathising with the church shooting victims, wide open? I understand why. Do you?

[Kardamyli]

Ghostly you are confusing nationality with religion. Islam is not a nationality it is a religion which people from lots of countries follow. I am not condemning anyone with a particular nationality, just those who follow a medieval belief system dressed up in the name of religion.

[ThroughThickAndThin01]

Flipflops your post makes perfect sense.