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to want to say something to proud friend re filthy house/ bad lifestyle

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inEmbarrassment · 15/06/2015 10:12

Staying with a friend. He's very generously hosting us and he is a very good friend of DH's. We have known him for years, he is lovely, very highly intelligent, and in his own very unpretentious way, very sociable. Before the inevitable suggestions, he isn't autistic. He is extremely proud and stubborn though.

He has always been a complete slob about most things that don't interest him (very basic levels of housework, eating properly, doing any exercise, following conventional social norms that he thinks are snobbish or wankerish). He grew up on a farm, so is used to dirt, insects, mice etc.; and his mother was a hoarder with a personality disorder, and his father has always said little about the mother's habits, and neither parent could really clean or cook, so he's used to the house being dysfunctional and his diet being terrible, as he has never really known anything else.

A few years ago he had an illness that left him partly disabled. It was life-changing for him, and I am in no way criticising the fact he has responded by burying himself in work and letting a lot of other stuff go. However, I honestly think he needs help.

His house has gone from being a real mess, to being a completely filthy mess that is very dysfunctional. It is grimly dirty, centimetres of dust, cobwebs and dead insects all over the furniture, mud on the floor, crumbs on tables from years ago; sprouting mould on the taps, walls, curtains, shower curtain; shower that doesn't work, loos that have never been cleaned, etc.. It's stuff that could easily be kept under control with a weekly visit from a cleaner - but at the moment he's been in the place nearly 4 years and has evidently never cleaned any of it.

He has gone from being someone who did a bit (not enough) of exercise, to someone who does no exercise at all beyond walking slowly (he can't easily do stuff on his own - though I bet physios and gyms could help him a lot). He eats absolutely crap food, and drinks too much beer - and it shows - he is obese, unfit, red in the face, and looks 10 years older than his age.

He is usually too proud to mention it, but he hasn't had a girlfriend in years - and I suspect that a lot of that is down to the fact he's delightful in the pub/at work, but when potential girlfriends see his house, they run a mile. He says it's because of his disability, but I think that is vastly less of a problem than the filthy house and personal habits of beer/burgers/ crappy computer games/ no exercise.

DH, the friend's father, many other friends, have all stayed with him over the years. (Until this trip I've only ever met him in the pub, at work, or at our place.) Not one of them has told him "you need a cleaner, the place is a tip, if you don't currently have mice and bedbugs it's not obvious why not; you need to sort out the lack of exercise, the beer and the burgers or you will be dead in 10 years". DH and I discussed last night whether i would offer to clean the place today while they are at work together, and decided friend would be too proud and hurt if I offered.

Friend thinks I'm a bit amusingly twitchy and overly concerned with wankerish social norms. Compared to his social circle (computer guys; friends from the parents' remote farming district) I probably am a bit uncompromisingly clean and clean-living (I eat properly and do exercise). My DH has gone from fitting easily into the friend's circle 10 years ago, to perhaps also being a bit too clean/clean-living.

Thus, I think that if I say "seriously, you need to sort this out", he will ignore me. How can I get the message across? Should I even try?

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inEmbarrassment · 15/06/2015 12:07

Thanks everyone for the help. Off to have lunch with him and DH now.

I agree he probably isn't bothered; and that things like cleaning may well have occurred to him, as he mentioned something about getting the deposit back yesterday (I suspect his answer to "you won't get the deposit back if you keep it like this" is "I'll have it deep cleaned when I leave"). I'll ask DH to have a gentle word about cleaning; if anything else comes up about lack of girlfriends I will suggest DH be a bit blunter about the likely reasons.

Even just a few sets of shelves/ filing boxes rather than having paper and computer stuff all over the floor would make a difference...

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CSIJanner · 15/06/2015 12:11

In situations like this, you need a deep clean company it a group of people willing to help out. It won't be a one day job. Garden is by the by and can be deal with later. Ten get some easy simple healthy thing to cook and tell him you were bored. But by the way, here's the numbers of 2 cleaners who might be able to come in once a week and do te laundry but it will cost this much. That bit might be better from your DH though.

DH is in a uni and tbh when they bury their heads in their academic books, they forget the real world and aren't too bothered. There are academics with family then there's the high up, work is my only life academics. Your friend sounds the latter and has probably got so used to it, or seems so overwhelmed by it all, that he doesn't know where to start. I know - I married one! You just need to decide if he will welcome help or if not, do you say something and risk your friendship.

bananafamily · 15/06/2015 12:16

I agree with Worra, just clean as much as you could whilst he's at work and say you were bored. I did this when we were staying with a male single friend who had the world's most disgusting bathroom, which possibly had never been cleaned since he bought the house four years earlier. He just looked surprised and said, 'oh, that does look better!'

Ihavegottheclap · 15/06/2015 12:16

Why the hell are you staying in this house?

ActiviaYoghurt · 15/06/2015 12:22

He may be in a bit of a loop with this one, he might think that his house needs sorting before he gets a cleaner in, then as he hasn't sorted it he hasn't got a cleaner and nothing happens.

Do what Worraliberty suggests, apologise and say that you were bored with daytime tv/whatever. then say that a weekly clean would keep on top of it.

Gottagetmoving · 15/06/2015 12:36

Please do not clean and make up the reason you were bored! It's rude and interfering. This is his house not yours and you should not impose your standards on him unless he wants you to.
I can't believe people are telling you to do this.

MargotLovedTom · 15/06/2015 12:41

I know people mean well and are suggesting the OP cleans the house in the spirit of kindness and concen for the friend, but I have this nagging voice in my head which says "No way on earth would I be the good little woman cleaning this filth encrusted house, getting down on my hands and knees to clean a grown man's shit off his toilet, because he chooses not to see the squalor in which he lives."

PiperIsTerrysChoclateOrange · 15/06/2015 12:52

Tbh I couldn't stay 5 minutes in a house like that, to me I wouldn't feel comfortable and with all the mould and grim I would be worried it would make me very sick.

Going against the grain here and would tell him directly.

inEmbarrassment · 15/06/2015 13:40

Piper - unless you have underlying health issues like immune suppression or severe mite allergy, it's not going to do you any harm. However i'd certainly think twice before, say, taking toddlers there.

I am not going to clean as we are only going back in to get our suitcase later. I haven't said anything as I wanted to consider (thanks to Mumsnet) the aspects of personal choice vs need for intervention that are relevant here.

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