To think thank God we are finally doing something about mass immigration

[Ubik1]

By helping these people here

The Royal Navy expects to have saved more than 1,000 migrants by the end of today - in their biggest rescue operation in the Mediterranean so far.

Pregnant women - including one in labour - and young children and among the 700 desperate people already picked up by HMS Bulwark around 27 miles from the coast of Libya in the busiest day of operations in the Mediterranean.

Efforts are continuing near the war-torn country with those already on board having traveled for around 10 hours in four overcrowded rubber and wooden boats.

Thank God they are rescuing these poor people. I hope Europe gets organised to receive these people from the boats and helps the migrants washing up in Greece.

Regardless of the propertion of "genuine" refugees vs economic migrants, you can't just leave boats to sink - as governments discovered early this year (the British government didn't send Navy ships out of the goodness of their hearts but because thousands of dead Africans in the Med makes their previous hands-off policy look bad).

You don't know much about Africa if you think it is a feasible destination for most of these refugees.

There might be some potential to resettle migrants in North Africa, but if I were Algerian or Moroccan I might reasonably argue that the Europeans are largely responsible for the collapse of Iraq, Syria and Libya and that its their mess to sort out!

Would you just leave them to drown? Is that the best thing to do?

Yeah, now you're being a bit racist yourself hag. Africa is a huge continent and just because one country hasn't welcomed refugees doesn't mean you should write if an entire continent.

If you're going to use that logic you could just as easily say that because Bosnian/Serb and Croat refugees were persecuted by others in their country a good few years back then the entire continent of Europe, including the UK, France, Germany, Sweden, Denmark was thus unsuitable for any refugees.

Absolute nonsense. Incidentally, for a lot of refugees staying closer to home, so that they can return more easily when the situation stabilises, is far preferable to going to a far off country. Because they want to return to their homes, families and communities. Something that is generally not a concern to economic migrants.

Ubik, I don't see anybody suggesting that they should be left to drown. So that's just a straw man.

I would agree with you Mistigiri, which is why I think that a very good incentive should be offered to countries which agree to take some. Particularly in terms of health services and education.

Wel what should we be doing?

Have a few more meetings?

If you can't be bothered to RTFT don't expect me to enlighten you Ubik.

Perhaps by acknowledging that the best way of helping refugees isn't by picking up the minority who manage to make it to Europe and look a bit sad at the expense of all the other deaths on the way?

So you have people in boats.

What do you do?

Pick them up, destroy the boat, take them back to Libya.

I would agree with you Mistigiri, which is why I think that a very good incentive should be offered to countries which agree to take some

You mean we promise aid and money to the UNHCR and then forget about giving it.

www.unhcr.org/548709fd9.html

Donor nations on Tuesday promised an initial US$500.8 million for the work of the UN refugee agency to help almost 43 million forcibly displaced or stateless people worldwide next year.

Faced with multiple large-scale emergencies in the Middle East and Africa, UNHCR presented its total financial requirements of US$6.23 billion for 2015 at its annual pledging conference, the largest budget ever at the beginning of the year. At last year's conference, donors pledged US$671.6 million, some US$170 million more than the amount granted this year.

£500 million. Do you know what the US spends on defence per day?

This tells us what the world spends. £1400 BILLION per year

Lovely sentiments on this thread, great understanding of humanity and at a fell swoop ones own history and the reason behind the wealth of the country that they live in.

Tory voting wollies, like turkeys voting for Christmas, you do make me laugh.

We are not " full" our infrastructure can take it. Focusing blame for the countries woes on the poorest and most vulnerable in the world,whilst ignoring the elephants in the room, brilliant distraction techniques and all you turkeys are falling for it.

Our infrastructure is already failing. Haven't you read the threads where people are having to travel miles just to get their child a school place, disabled people having their benefits cut, people waitng months for hospital appointments, families with no hope of ever owning their own houses and having to rely on housing benefits, it just goes on and on and will only get worse if thousands rock up here expecting all these things to be given to them.

You might say these people are only doing this for a better life for their children but why blame us for trying to ensure the same for our children.

We cannot save the whole world.

Yes. The wealth of this country was not just based on Empire, it was also based on the exploitation of a working class who were paid fuck all to live in terrible conditions whilst the wealthy and middle classes profited from their work.

I think a lot of the prancing lefties on Mumsnet who are in favour of mass immigration of unskilled workers which will probably enhance their own wages at the expense of poorer people probably have an awful lot more in common with those profiteers than they would care to admit.

Somewhat related to this discussion

m.france24.com/en/20150608-migrant-italy-backlash-grows-europe-mediterranean-sea-drownings?ns_campaign=reseaux_sociaux&ns_source=FB&ns_mchannel=social&ns_linkname=editorial&aef_campaign_ref=partage_aef&aef_campaign_date=2015-06-08

mass immigration of unskilled workers which will probably enhance their own wages at the expense of poorer people probably have an awful lot more in common with those profiteers than they would care to admit.

How do white collar wages benefit from the migration of unskilled workers?

I mean - you have economic migrants like the Eastern Europeans who pick daffodils in Lincolnshire or your traditional first generation Indian/Chinese/Pakistani shopkeeper/restaurant owner/landlord.

Then you have asylum seekers who are not allowed to work.

"Prancing lefties". Most lefties I know are those that have pulled themselves up by their boot straps but acknowledges the contribution that society made to their success, they also know that apart from by accident of birth "there but for the grace of god go I". Every single tory/anti immigration person I know is blinkered and believes they are truly responsible for all their own success and take into account nothing around them.

These people aren't coming here for our benefits, which in the main are meager, they are coming to get away from persecution, from war, famine etc. Our infrastructure isn't breaking, in fact its mostly fine, just our resources need proper direction, like putting money into house building rather than creating bigger asset bubbles, like funding schools in areas that need them rather than "free" schools in areas that are already under subscribed.

And without the empire, which exploited a third of the world for their natural wealth, subjugated their people and made slaves of others. Why are we surprised that some of the world wants a bit of this back?

Especially in their time of need.