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To think their is no housing crisis.

112 replies

AmazingAmy · 21/05/2015 16:31

Instead their is a geographical jobs crisis, some nothern towns have streets of houses empty. Why because their is no jobs in many northern towns. London and other big towns are the only places of decent employment prospects.

However in London their is a housing crisis due to lack of building.

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AmazingAmy · 21/05/2015 17:00

Their is not enough social housing but that's a social housing crisis not a housing crisis. I wonder what posters agree that we have a geographical economic problem.

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OrlandoWoolf · 21/05/2015 17:02

Their is not enough social housing but that's a social housing crisis not a housing crisis

Yes - it is a housing crisis.

What is a housing crisis to you?

(Oh - and it's there, not their).

Damnautocorrect · 21/05/2015 17:03

It's ok social housing to the rescue, the southerners are shipping their poor up north and hs2 (with its extensions) will enable the poor to commute to do the minimum paid work in the south - hoorah.

Whiskwarrior · 21/05/2015 17:03

Do people needing social housing not count?

Social housing (or the serious lack of) is contributing to the overall housing crisis.

fortunately · 21/05/2015 17:05

You're still not making sense.

How is a social housing crisis different to a housing crisis? Surely a social housing crisis is the very bones of a housing crisis, given that if you've got a million squid then bugger the housing crisis I'm sure you lol find something to suit....

There is a housing crisis because there is not enough affordable housing in the as where it is needed.

Are you not understanding the definition of housing crisis maybe? I mean, obviously there is bricks and mortar out there, but it's fuck all use if it costs over most people's budgets and is on Orkney....

fortunately · 21/05/2015 17:06

Fucking bastard fucking iPad typos Grin

ilovesooty · 21/05/2015 17:06

There is an accommodation crisis.
I don't see what fortunately has said that's worthy of reporting.

SomeSortOfDeliciousBiscuit · 21/05/2015 17:06

Of course there is a housing crisis. You've said there are rows of houses empty up north and London is overcrowded because that's where the jobs are - do you think that because there are some houses available, that means there isn't a crisis? I don't understand your logic.

OrlandoWoolf · 21/05/2015 17:07

If you're suggesting London has a massive effect on the economy and is far different to the regions, then it does.

Regional growth is important - there has to be ways of stimulating regional economies. It's not just the North though - if you look at coastal towns in the South East, you have issues there. Ask yourself why Farage targetted Thanet.

That is a separate point to housing though.

People without jobs need housing as well. There are not enough houses available. Even for poor people with no jobs - do they count?

fortunately · 21/05/2015 17:08

I'm not in keeping Sooty Grin

Story of my fecking life....

maggiethemagpie · 21/05/2015 17:09

I live in Manchester and there are plenty of decent jobs here. The houses are pretty cheap too. Shame about the rain....

OrlandoWoolf · 21/05/2015 17:09

And if you had been to the areas where there are streets of empty houses, you'll understand why.

Social issues
No jobs
Schools struggling
Crime

etc etc

It's a self fulfilling cycle.

YouTheCat · 21/05/2015 17:12

Are you only here to stir about your questionable views on the EU/housing? Hmm

I suggest you go and read up on these subjects as your knowledge has huge, gaping holes in it.

MaliceInWonderland78 · 21/05/2015 17:13

Actually, I don't especially draw a distinction between social and market housing in terms of any crisis. to the extent that there is a crisis, it's driven by an imbalance between supply and demand.

Supply needs to be increased and demand needs to be reduced. Increasing suplly is obvious. Reducing demand means, getting a grip on immigration and making sure that the demand is pointed towards those places where we have capacity (in some areas in the North) This could be done by giving generous incentives to get companies to move into those areas (not unusual) and moving some of the public sector jobs out to the regions.

GiddyOnZackHunt · 21/05/2015 17:18

The op is saying that the housing crisis is a symptom of the uneven spread of jobs around the UK. So not denying there is a shortage of housing but suggesting we look at the cause not the symptom.

OrlandoWoolf · 21/05/2015 17:20

The cause...

Could it be not enough houses being built to match the demand?

OrlandoWoolf · 21/05/2015 17:21

Personally I'm surprised London works. It's so expensive to live there - and I'm guessing that housing benefit must help.

London still works. Or is it a house of cards waiting to collapse?

YouTheCat · 21/05/2015 17:23

The cause is a total lack of social housing because of Thatcher and rents forced up by unscrupulous landlords lots of Tories . And very little affordable housing to buy because of people buying to let which has artificially pushed up house prices over the years.

Most of the ills in this country come down to greed.

GiddyOnZackHunt · 21/05/2015 17:37

Orlando well no not enough houses are being built overall but the crisis would be less pronounced with a more even distribution of jobs.
If old Roneik was to believed then they were convinced the London market is a house of cards. I think it's insane but don't know whether it will ever be sensible

InnTheJungle · 21/05/2015 17:41

"The cause is a total lack of social housing because of Thatcher and rents forced up by Tories"

We had relatively affordable housing in 1997, when Labour come to power.

When Labour lost power in 2010, housing was incredibly unaffordable.

And it's got worse since then.

If you make this a partisan party political issue, you have failed.

OrlandoWoolf · 21/05/2015 17:43

The fact that interest rates were low and banks were prepared to lend loads of money to anyone during those boom years probably had an impact as well.

SommerenAldrigKommer · 21/05/2015 17:46

whisk, read the thread, the evidence is there. One poster did comment on the OP's thread making no sense. You then hate the face off me. Another couple of posters mentioned the spelling crisis. So read the thread, read the posts in order before coming back to give posters a dressing down.

Your first reprimand to me for "stirring again" was out of order. Your second post was clearly incorrect, as other posters had mentioned the mistake.

OrlandoWoolf · 21/05/2015 17:49

sommeren

The OP does not think there is a housing crisis. Well - there is an issue with social housing but apparently that's not important.

Do you think there's a housing crisis?

holidaysarenice · 21/05/2015 17:49

In our area there really isn't. There is plenty of housing at fairly reasonable prices, rentals and landlords are in the majority good quality and there is social housing available for those in need. However there are not fantastic job opportunities - some but not masses.

OrlandoWoolf · 21/05/2015 17:50

There is plenty of housing at fairly reasonable prices, rentals and landlords are in the majority good quality and there is social housing available for those in need

However there are not fantastic job opportunities

You'd almost think there's a link between the two...