About the fucking milk.

[DisappointedOne]

DH was out helping a neighbour. Asked him to pick up some milk in the way back because the dribble he put back in the fridge isn't enough for the day as I'm still in PJs trying to study. He's brought back GREEN TOP milk. We haven't had green top milk in this house for the best part of a decade. 4 pints of the fucking stuff.

Asked whether the shop had no blue top milk and he said "they did. I thought this was what we had". Shows how often he makes a cup of tea.

There will be more fat soluble vitamins in the fatty milk, so not nutritionally the same as skim.

Buttercup it's about 49 vs 65 calories per 100ml. For whole vs semi skimmed. So not vast amounts more.

The suggestion about swapping to semi skimmed for kids and adults us part of the government low fat is best message as far as I can see.

Not about whole milk being bad as such.

I confess to buying filtered and faffed with Cravendale just because it stays fresher tasting. Done weeks we go through lots and it doesn't matter, but it saves a bit of waste for us.

Blue milk in tea! Vom!

The suggestion about swapping to semi skimmed for kids and adults us part of the government low fat is best message as far as I can see.

Except that "low fat" flies in the face of dietary science......... It's sugar we should be restricting.

If your quibbling about the difference between whole and skimmed milk on the basis of sugar, then you've probably misunderstood the sugar message. Sugar is not bad for you and does not harm you. Excess sugar which increases your calorific intake or gives you the same calorific intake but in place of other nutrients is and should be restricted.

Given the very minimal difference in sugar content in a glass of milk if you have enough sugar in your diet that it's going to cause you an issue, swapping skimmed milk for whole milk is not really where you want to start. The government guidance doesn't fly in the face of dietary science at all.

Extend the semi-skimmed guidance to other foods though. You can have a fridge full of low fat products such as yoghurt and cheese which will leave you feeling hungrier and contain more sugars than their full fat counter parts. Marshmallows proudly declare that they are "fat free" on the packaging. Are they a health food? I got through quite a lot while following a weight watchers low fat diet 10+ years ago. Low fat margerine on white toast will cause blood sugar levels to increase sharply. The body then has to react to that. Do that 4-5 times a day and your body can start becoming insulin resistant - the first step to type 2 diabetes.

Milk on its own may not make a massive difference, but as a lifestyle low fat isn't the best option.

I'm not sure snacking on huge quantities of marshmallows has ever been part of good dietary guidance, whether weight watchers told you that or not. But marshmallows and milk are not remotely the same in terms of sugar content. The difference in sugar content between the two types of milk/dairy if no sugar has been added is so small that it is unlikely to make any difference if your diet is high in sugar anyway.

The same applies to the fat content. If your diet is so high in fat that you need to cut down for your health then changing milk alone might not help and there are other things you could reduce instead if you wanted to. Whole or skimmed milk is not unhealthy on it's own. It's about the balance with what's in the rest of your diet.

Yes disappointed my DC are 3 and 5 and we still buy blue milk for them and me, i don't see the reason to swap to semi skimmed. And we don't buy sugar free fat free anything either. Full fat yoghurt for me! :)

Its really simplistic that lower fat foods are full of sugar. For example:
Chicken
White Fish
Brown rice

Would be eaten aplenty in a low fat diet and are natural foods. There is a lot of misunderstanding of this fat message. An egg sandwich instead of a cheese one cuts down on fat, for example and eggs are the holy grail of mn diet advice...

Chicken nowadays is higher fat than you might think. Brown rice is made of starch - which is a sugar - and fibre, which helps with the sugar, but still.

It's generally food that's processed to be low fat that's the high in sugar....

ok so brown rice is unhealthy and chicken high in fat .

and in relation to food being 'processed' to be low in fat. Low fat plain yoghurt/ semi skimmed milk does not have added sugar. On the other hand, salad dressing is processed and unhealthy whether high fat or not.

I'm pretty sure they feed lab rats high fat diets to induce type 2 diabetes, so I wouldn't get too carried away with the fat isn't bad for you message. Too much is still not great for you, I think it's just the link between fats themselves and cvd that was called into question. And I know the author of that paper has been pretty critical of how his results were reported in the media and by some areas of the diet community.

Forget the whole fat/sugar thing, who only buys four pints of milk a week. Four pints? We buy 30 pints of milk a week at least. Blue top of course because we're not heathens.

Wtf do you do with 30 pints

4 pints wouldn't last us a day

haha more, we buy 20 respect. I never see anyone else with that much in their trolley, people think I'm running a canteen. Cant stand blue though

"and in relation to food being 'processed' to be low in fat. Low fat plain yoghurt/ semi skimmed milk does not have added sugar. On the other hand, salad dressing is processed and unhealthy whether high fat or not."

Low fat yoghurt and semi skimmed milk have more sugar proportionally than their full fat alrernatives. Yoghurt with real fruit has more sugar (because of the fruit). Have you been to a supermarket? How much plain yoghurt is there compared to the likes of muller lights (which have added sugar too).

Yes, salad dressings tend to be calorific, but a good quality mayo will deliver important healthy fats as well as helping you feel satisfied. Which in turn helps to avoid overeating.

ok so brown rice is unhealthy and chicken high in fat

I didn't say that.

We have a milk man who delivers organic green top milk. That fits nicely with my diet , my refusal to drink non organic milk, and problems of running out of milk.
It also supports local producers and businesses. It costs us £3 a week for 2 and a half litres delivered and well worth the extra cost.

The difference in sugar between semi skimmed/ low fat plain and full fat is absolutely miniscule. By avoiding sugar they mean not eating cake.

And at the risk of stating the obvious salad dressing makes your salad taste nice. So most people have no intention of giving it up.

Wow, a lot of pushback on you, DisappointedOne, for your deviant milk preferences.

Interesting!

"salad dressing is processed and unhealthy whether high fat or not."

I make my own with olive oil and balsamic vinegar. If that's unhealthy I don't want to be healthy.