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to think Ed Miliband should apologise to his brother

68 replies

Sallyingforth · 08/05/2015 23:13

and invite him back to stand for leader.

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Minifingers · 09/05/2015 10:05

Polly Toynbee

"A leader’s fall always has Shakespearean echoes, and the Miliband brothers’ drama has epic tragic elements. Today Ed stood at the cenotaph like a man at his own funeral. Decent, well-liked, his warm intelligence in private rarely showed itself in his awkward public appearances. He never learned those essential thespian skills for the television age: no use his friends comparing him to Attlee.

Davidites may gloat, but there’s no evidence he would have fared any better. He had different strengths and defects, another north London geek they’d soon have said was the wrong brother too. Unkind, today, to pick over the fallen leader’s failings – but here’s one lesson. He was often praised for his remarkable resilience in the face of torrential mockery and abuse. How could he take such personal humiliation?

The brutal answer is that he shouldn’t have done. Both he and Gordon Brown became millstones around their party’s neck and both should have stood down with grace in the year before the election. They could have earned genuine respect by handing over to anyone who might win crucial extra votes. At the hustings for the next leader, each candidate should pledge to step down if they, too, become a drag anchor, not an asset.

Every time Labour fails, the key issue is not their ejected MPs nor the great Westminster game, but the hardship imposed on the low-paid and hard-pressed. Every Tory government makes the rich richer and the poor poorer, draining public services dry.

Ignore Cameron’s urbane manner, he is driven by a deep anti-state ideology that will leave the welfare state and the public realm unrecognisable in five years. That is what Labour’s failure means."

Mumoftwoyoungkids · 09/05/2015 10:06

Charis - I'm not sure that that is true. Currently in the sport my dh plays and the country he used to represent the number 1 and 2 are brothers. The ex- no 1 is my BIL. My dh also once played internationally. There is a period of over 10 years where the cup for the national junior champion had one of the two surnames on and more than 15 years for the senior champion.

It's a combination of natural (genetic) talent, what the family "does" in their spare time, discussed family ambitions, economies of scale of negotiating the system.

There undoubtedly are people out there who could be better at the sport or being leader of the Labour Party but they spent their childhoods learning the piano and going on family trips to concerts rather than going on a family trip to a political rally or a family 5 mile run.......

Fuckup · 09/05/2015 10:13

Do you know what politics is all about? or do you just read crappy papers and get your info from there? Biscuit

Charis1 · 09/05/2015 10:15

mumoftwoyoungkids - exactly, so where does the diversity and equal opportunity come in? you have to have come from the right sort of family or you just won't get there.

Charis1 · 09/05/2015 10:18

In sport it just doesn't matter, if you are good at sport, you will excel at which ever one is available to you, and you are prepared to commit to.

In a country wide political party, in running the opposition, in standing for the post of prime minister, it is crucial in a democracy that everyone has an equal chance to be heard, and to be involved.

It is blatantly obvious that doesn't happen in the labour party, or you wouldn't end up with a leadership election between two brothers.

Spl0ink · 09/05/2015 10:58

Charis I think you're a bit deluded about opportunity. In order to be the best at anything, you do need to come from the right family. Look at the Williams sisters. Yes genetics and skill and fundamental, but so is living and breathing tennis (or chess, or politics, or whatever) from the time you are a young child.

Both Millibands were members of the Labour party from their teens, sitting at home talking politics with their family every night. They rose through the party together and so both accrued experience as SPADs at the same time, and both went for the leadership when the opportunity arose.

Were they the best two people for the job? Probably not, but they were the ones who had put in all the ground work and applied for it when it became open, same as any other job opportunity.

carben · 09/05/2015 11:27

And how many capable people would even want to stand - given this country's general disengagement with politics

Charis1 · 09/05/2015 11:30

like I ssaid, sloink, in sport it doesn't matter.

I work in education, so see the massive range of opportunities available to young people in all areas of life. You won't get the top two astrophysicists in the country being brothers, or the top two museum curators being father and son,

it shouldn't happen in politics.

beginnerrunner · 09/05/2015 11:40

I don't understand why people get so annoyed about the whole Milliband brothers thing. Ed won the leadership contest fair and square. Should Andy Murray never play tennis again because he's better than his brother Jamie. Same with Williams sisters, the triathlete Brownlee brothers etc. Sometimes siblings are good at the same thing but one is often better. That's life.

Lweji · 09/05/2015 11:46

I'm sure his brother doesn't need an invitation, let alone from his standing down party leader brother. Hmm

Whether he'd do better or worse, who knows? Ed was voted in by the party. As any other leader.

Viviennemary · 09/05/2015 11:47

I told a socialist friend he'd lose Labour the general election. That was when he was first elected. It was a silly experiment by the left that was doomed to failure. It was a bit not quite right to stand against your brother. Shows he'd sell his soul to the devil to benefit himself. That's a bit of an exageration but that's how it kind of felt.

GiddyOnZackHunt · 09/05/2015 11:58

Oh for heavens sake. Do you not think they've talked at all in the last 5 years? That the partisan press wouldn't have brought up the same stuff including their Dad? That maybe they were brought up around politics and that's what they know? That Labour party rules will apply to the process of electing the next Leader?

There are loads of brothers working together in business, competing in sport.

GiddyOnZackHunt · 09/05/2015 12:00

Sorry forgot to mention the Kennedy clan, the Bush family and now the Clintons. Families in politics.

Charis1 · 09/05/2015 12:01

exactly what I said, Giddy, proof that there is as little equality and opportunity in British politics as there is in the usa

Charis1 · 09/05/2015 12:01

or in the labour party, anyway.

noblegiraffe · 09/05/2015 12:07

Ed might have had the bacon sandwich photo, but don't forget David and the banana. I'm sure the Mail would have campaigned equally successfully with that one.

GiddyOnZackHunt · 09/05/2015 12:12

No I'm not agreeing with you. It doesn't prove anything. The political establishment in the UK is riddled with nepotism. There are political dynasties in the conservative and Liberal parties. At least the Miliband brothers went head to head in an open contest.

YouBetterWerk · 09/05/2015 12:19

Grow up.

SolomanDaisy · 09/05/2015 12:31

Umm, they weren't the only candidates in the leadership election. One of the other candidates was a black woman whose father was an immigrant and a welder.

SoupDragon · 09/05/2015 12:35

exactly what I said, Giddy, proof that there is as little equality and opportunity in British politics as there is in the usa

So, on one single occasion, brothers happened to stand against each other in a leadership race and you think this shows inequality in politics? [confusion]

KurriKurri · 09/05/2015 15:03

He did nothing wrong. There was a certain amount of surprise when he got the leadership because lots of people (Possibly including David, but I don't know) assumed David was as hoe in for the job. Arrogant and dangerous assumption especially coming after years of Blairism.

I think they are probably both decent men. it was hardly a betrayal of any kind, there is no reason for his brother to feel aggrieved (and I don't believe he did) Ed won fair and square.

I don't believe it was the 'Ed is bit geeky and weird' factor that lost the election anyway - that is far too simplistic. In fact from what I saw of the election coverage (and it wasn't much as I was out of the country) people were warming to his personality and getting a bit fed up of the personal insults directed at him.

Anyway I wish him well. It's not up to him who becomes the new leader. If David wants to return, gain a parliamentary seat in a by-election and then wait for the next leadership contest he can do so. I would have thought that if he had wanted to be involved in UK politics he would have come over and stood for a seat this election, then he would have been able to stand in the leadership contest. I very much doubt he'd win though - he's too tainted by the Blair administration and he's probably fairly out of touch. and while he's been absent several interesting and bright new leadership candidates have emerged as much more likely contenders.

On a side note I thought that when Ed was going into his house and said I'm going to spend some time with my wife and kids' he looked a lot more relaxed and happy than he has for some time, I'm sure he will find something worthwhile to do now, there are plenty of other jobs apart from leader of the labour party.

YouBetterWerk · 09/05/2015 16:30

Here, here, Kurri

BoyFromTheBigBadCity · 09/05/2015 16:48

Oh this attitude boils my piss. Younger siblings are allowed to excel in, even in some cases exceed, the same field as their siblings. OR are younger siblings supposed to accept forever that they may not follow their interests if it coincides with their older siblings, or they must always be the one who comes in second to them?

As has been said above - Ed won the leadership election. We have no idea if David would have wont eh election, or if Dianne Abbot would have, or the other 2 candidates at the time who also did not win.

ouryve · 09/05/2015 16:49

YABU.

And how the hell do you know what conversations they've had in private, ffs?

workadurka · 09/05/2015 16:52

Less concerned about two brothers going for leadership, more concerned about half the cabinet coming from the same school.

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