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And so it begins...

96 replies

Dawndonnaagain · 08/05/2015 17:59

The first round of cuts affecting those with disabilities.

OP posts:
Hillingdon · 08/05/2015 21:32

Some people see problem and issue at every turn. Especially when its for their own ends. Let's move on, the UK have chosen. Let's accept that. My DH and I were seriously thinking of leaving should Labour get in propped up by the SNP.

On another thread someone was complaining they were on a zero hrs contract. So was I. It's the 'woe is me, I am a victim, nothing to do with me - I will blame the government.' Get yourself off it. It's not impossible.

If I can do it anyone can!

EcclefechanTart · 08/05/2015 21:32

These are people we're talking about here.

How absolutely callous the attitude of some on here is. Regardless of the government, that is shitty behaviour.

A decent society protects its most vulnerable. I see very little decency about these days.

I completely agree. There are threads full of people saying "don't slander all Tory voters as heartless bastards who want to see the poor and disabled strung up", and I would agree with that, but you are not doing yourselves any favours with the shocking absence of humanity shown on here.

BreconBeBuggered · 08/05/2015 21:33

How many times. Nobody thinks that benefits should be awarded to anyone who asks in perpetuity without question. It doesn't happen. Hasn't happened, to my knowledge, for decades. Where do people get the idea that it does, I wonder?

I'm sickened by some of the attitudes on this thread.

EcclefechanTart · 08/05/2015 21:34

Hillingdon this thread was not even about party politics beforehand out to started, so no need to tell the OP etc to "move on". She was rightly worrying about what the future holds for disability-related welfare.

EcclefechanTart · 08/05/2015 21:35

Sorry, before you got started that should say

AWholeLottaNosy · 08/05/2015 21:36

Sauvignon I would also like to know where your information came from as I would like to share it on fb. Do you have a link please? Truly shocking and distressing stories.

YouTheCat · 08/05/2015 21:37

Some of us don't have the option of leaving... so lucky you.

No. If you can do it all that means is that you can. It doesn't mean that all others are able to. My ds will never be able to work. He will never marry. He does not have the capacity to vote. He will never learn to drive or write an email or support himself.

Other people's circumstances do not match yours. By making this all about how fantastic you are to have got on, you're just making yourself look extremely shallow.

AWholeLottaNosy · 08/05/2015 21:38

There is a saying which goes something like, you can tell how civilized a society is by how it treats its most vulnerable. I'm afraid we have become a much more uncivilized society today. .

SauvignonBlanche · 08/05/2015 21:41

*Also shouldn't you be more aware of the data protection act 1988 disclosing all that information on an Internet forum? Hmm

Thus information is freely available www.disabilityartsonline.org.uk/?location_id=1193&item=2517 it was also cited on the last page.

May they rest in peace Sad

EcclefechanTart · 08/05/2015 21:41

AWholeLottaNosy I posted a link to the list of deaths a bit further up - from Disability Arts

BishopBrennansArse · 08/05/2015 21:41

I'm deaf.

When I left school I went to work for a successful company.
They put me on £2 an hour because I couldn't hear on the phone properly. They expected me to fund a piece of equipment (for £100) to enable me to do my job properly. That's 50 hours' work, bearing in mind I didn't live at home so had living expenses. They said once the equipment was provided I would get a pairs.

In the end a charity paid. I didn't get the payrise.

Nowadays that'd be illegal. That fund didn't exist.
I don't want it to go back to that kind of discrimination being legal again.

EcclefechanTart · 08/05/2015 21:42

Sorry, Sauvignon, cross posts.

Aermingers · 08/05/2015 21:43

AWholeLottaNosy, if you're going to think about it in % terms think about this:

Tories: 36.9%
UKIP: 12.6%
DUP: 0.6%

(Right wing parties: 50.1%)

LD: 7.9%

(Could go either way)

LAB: 30.4%
SNP: 4.7%
GRN: 3.8%

(Left wing parties: 38.9%)

So if we had a different voting system we may well have got something much worse. It doesn't mean they don't have a mandate. It doesn't mean that more people want a Labour government. In fact if you factor in the fact that right wing parties would probably prefer a Tory government to a Labour one it's highly likely that for an awful lot of people this is a much more satisfactory outcome that a Labour government.

Incidentally, describing people as 'ignorant' and 'easily led' because they don't agree with you is jaw droppingly arrogant.

EcclefechanTart · 08/05/2015 21:45

If I can do it anyone can!

This just isn't true, though, is it? Plenty of people can't. Do you have a profound disability, Hillingdon?

YouTheCat · 08/05/2015 21:47

Is having your head stuck up your backside considered a disability? Then - yes. Grin

Sorry, just couldn't resist.

And now I shall back off from any more political chat and drown my sorrows in wine.

Dawndonnaagain · 08/05/2015 22:07

Sticky, Carol, the deaths have been clearly demonstrated by the coroners court to have occured not only under this government, but also due to the new benefits regime instigated by this government. The DWP have acknowledged said deaths and the figures are currently being investigated. These are not protected by the data protection.
Hillingdon Fraud is very low.
You know what, it's tiring defending our position, many of us have enough to do, we often hope for a bit of empathy on boards like this, but people like you, people who don't listen, who think we're on the attack rather than being defensive, you grind us down. You'd think that at 56, after years of lecturing, having to take early retirement to look after my severely disabled husband would earn me a bit of empathy, wouldn't you, but no, the minute we try to defend ourselves from you Hillingdon, your patronising attitudes, your sly vitriol, we're lefties (used as an insult). The only reason you get shit, is because you dish it out. You're rude, aggressive and desperate to prove a political point. Desperate to prove that your way of voting is better than ours (not that I vote Labour, although I am a leftie and proud) and that you are somehow superior because of your beliefs, because you think that if the lazy and feckless are stopped all will be right with the world. If fraud stops, it doesn't leave more for the rest of us you know, it just stays. There isn't more in the pot for others. All most of us want is a bit of help, a bit of understanding. I've said to you before how hard I work, how shattered I am. I haven't said that I come on here and read posts like yours and sticky's and Carol's* and cry.
I don't get out, it's really hard, for so many reasons to leave the house, my husband can't be left for long, it costs to get a carer in, the government cut my respite care. So, I go on internet forums for a bit of 'outside world'. I get folk like you who instead of saying, okay, Donna, I see your point, it can't be easy, I get, oooh, get you, know it all leftie, you just want to slate us. I don't. I just want you to understand the fear, how hard it is to cope with little sleep and little money.
Thanks, all of you for helping the isolated, hard working carers of this world, along with the isolated, lonely, frightened disabled people of the boards, feel so much better about their lives.

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SauvignonBlanche · 08/05/2015 22:10
Flowers
BishopBrennansArse · 08/05/2015 22:11

Dawn, You.... I proper love you two.
I've decided there are a couple of posters on here not worth engaging with. Might be an idea?
Randoms do jump up and bite my arse granted but when it's same old, same old...

SauvignonBlanche · 08/05/2015 22:15

There really should be a fuckwits list, with their posts highlighted. Wink

Aermingers · 08/05/2015 22:16

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DuchessDisaster · 08/05/2015 22:21

OK for balance, could we please have the statistics for 1997 to 2010?
With names, if appropriate.

SauvignonBlanche · 08/05/2015 22:23

An absolute joke???! My sides are fucking splitting! Angry

I can't listen to any more callous vitriol.

Goodnight Donna and anyone one else with a soul. I can't engage with fuckwits anymore.

BreconBeBuggered · 08/05/2015 22:27

FFS. They're names of real people, not government data. Read the link if you're actually interested in numbers.

'A joke'. Repellent.

AWholeLottaNosy · 08/05/2015 22:34

An absolute joke? So sick of all the smug, uncaring self righteous people people today just revelling in their I'm allright Jack' attitude. Shameful and depressing.

vindscreenviper · 08/05/2015 22:36

That list of debts is an absolute joke.
I'm assuming that was a typo/ correction any what you actually wrote was

that list of deaths is a joke
that list of deaths is a joke
that list of deaths is a joke

It certainly lacks empathy, but I can imagine Ian Smith using it a lot over the next five years.