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This is the best explanation of the effect of reducing tax rates for the rich

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ScOffasDyke · 07/05/2015 18:32

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to £100...
If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this...
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay £1.
The sixth would pay £3.
The seventh would pay £7..
The eighth would pay £12.
The ninth would pay £18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay £59.
So, that's what they decided to do..
The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve ball.
"Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by £20". Drinks for the ten men would now cost just £80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes.
So the first four men were unaffected.
They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men?
The paying customers?
How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?
They realised that £20 divided by six is £3.33. But if they
subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.
So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was, to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using, and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.
And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% saving).
The sixth now paid £2 instead of £3 (33% saving).
The seventh now paid £5 instead of £7 (28% saving).
The eighth now paid £9 instead of £12 (25% saving).
The ninth now paid £14 instead of £18 (22% saving).
The tenth now paid £49 instead of £59 (16% saving).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings.
"I only got a pound out of the £20 saving," declared the sixth man.
He pointed to the tenth man,"but he got £10!"
"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a pound too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!"
"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get £10 back, when I got only £2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"
"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!"
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works.
The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction.
Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore.
In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics.
For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible

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fairyfuckwings · 07/05/2015 20:51

Ten quid a pint? God I'm glad I live "up north "!

hettie · 07/05/2015 20:51

But income tax is just one form of taxation. When you look at all forms of taxation those on a lower income pay a greater percentage of their income in tax. That's because most other forms of taxation are not progressive...

taxi4ballet · 07/05/2015 20:54

Although... what would probably have happened in reality is that the man paying the most would have collected everyone's money, gone to the bar and just paid the 80 quid - and handed the bar owner a fiver to keep quiet about the deal.

Minifingers · 07/05/2015 20:54

"He goes home and masturbates into a pile of 50's while being fed grapes by the 4 poor men

That's more like the metaphorical reality."

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CactusAnnie · 07/05/2015 20:58

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HomeHelpMeGawd · 07/05/2015 21:00

There used to be another strain of rightwing thought in US political philosophy. It focused on liberty and enterprise and standing on your own two feet, and it grumbled about taxes, but it had a lot more compassion for the average Joe and for the poor. The clearest exponent, in my view, was Robert Heinlein, who said: "People who go broke in a big way never miss any meals. It is the poor jerk who is shy a half slug who must tighten his belt". That strikes me as at least as economically literate as this parable, and a very accurate description of what has happened since the financial crash.

ginmakesitallok · 07/05/2015 21:05

It's a pretty crap analysis, because it doesn't consider that the poorest have fuck all money left and wouldn't be down the pub and the richest could well afford to buy everyone's beer and a curry on the way home without even noticing it's gone out of their bank.

LumpySpacedPrincess · 07/05/2015 21:07

Plus the rich man came from a wealthy family had received a private education. He wasn't that bright but because he knew the right people he walked into a good job, which kept him wealthy long after he had inherited his family's wealth...

No, you're right, must remember to doff cap and show sufficient gratitude to the wealthy.

Mandatorymongoose · 07/05/2015 21:17

What Hettie said.

The beer really costs £4 a pint. £2 of which is tax.

The man earning £7 (14k a year ish ) an hour as an HCA is paying 28% of his hourly earnings as tax on the beer.

The man earning £77 (150k a year ish) an hour working in the city is paying 2.5% of his hourly earnings as tax on the beer.

AnyFucker · 07/05/2015 21:22

Actually, anybody that signs himself David R can fuck right off

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