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AIBU?

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Original poster

To have little sympathy for drugs traffickers when they get convicted?

48 replies

orangutanhihio · 28/04/2015 18:35

I think there are so many better uses of government/consulate time than helping them get reduced charges. There's a story in the press atm about heroin traffickers about to go before a firing squad:
news.sky.com/story/1473384/indonesia-executes-eight-foreigners-today

Drugs traffickers are willing to take the rewards of their crimes ie all the cash, font care who dies from the drugs they traffic, families ruined by addiction, suffering of poor people within the supply chain etc.

When anyone is sentenced to death it is sad, but smuggling heroin is hardly an honourable, risk free profession. When British citizens get convicted I'd rather thr government didn't get involved and spent their time on more deserving causes (almost anything else is more deserving imo).

Aibu?

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nancy75 · 28/04/2015 18:38

It seems very likely that the woman who is going to be killed didn't even know the stuff was on her bag, she has 2 young children. Have a think about that, now do you think yabu?

basgetti · 28/04/2015 18:40

I care about any human being going through the horror of waiting to be executed, as well as the unbearable pain of their families. So I think YABU.

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orangutanhihio · 28/04/2015 18:42

What about the pain of those getting addicted to the drugs they traffic though? What about the poor communities blighted by the drugs trade?

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blue42 · 28/04/2015 18:43

You don't know anything about these people, what drove them to do it, what mistakes they made, what path their life might have taken but for the very particular set of circumstances that put them where they are now.

Therefore I don't think it's reasonable to judge them or make statements such as that they do not care who dies from the drugs they traffic. You simply don't know that.

TheFecklessFairy · 28/04/2015 18:44

It seems very likely that the woman who is going to be killed didn't even know the stuff was on her bag, she has 2 young children. Have a think about that, now do you think yabu?

When I am travelling abroad NO-ONE even gets near my bag, and I buy my own suitcase. I trust NO-ONE.

And think of the 'unbearable pain' of the families of the victims who would be taking the drugs they carried.

basgetti · 28/04/2015 18:47

I care about those people too OP. You can find the execution of drug traffickers barbaric whilst disagreeing with the crime.

Wadingthroughsoup · 28/04/2015 18:47

I understand the point you're making, and I have no compassion for drug dealers and smugglers (at least those who know and are complicit in what they are involved in), but I just can't support or accept the death penalty anywhere, any time, under any circumstances. It is indefensible, IMHO.

TheMadnessOfMN · 28/04/2015 18:48

No YANBU. If someone knowingly traffics drugs they deserve all they get and the government should accept other countries' laws and concentrate time and money on more valuable causes AFAIAC.

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orangutanhihio · 28/04/2015 18:48

Plenty of people have shit lives, they don't all smuggle drugs that will almost certainly hurt and damage lives and kill users.

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nancy75 · 28/04/2015 18:48

Good for you the feckless fairy, what about your kids when they are older? What if one of them is daft enough to go travelling and accept a gift from someone? Would you be happy for them to be shot?

CrystalCove · 28/04/2015 18:49

Yanbu. Drug smugglers know the potential penalty for smuggling in these countries but greed takes over. I feel sorry for their families, not them.

fairyfuckwings · 28/04/2015 18:50

I feel very sad for them and their families. You sound very lacking in compassion.

ArgyMargy · 28/04/2015 18:51

For being OK with the death penalty, YABU. No-one has the right to take another person's life. (We can argue about war, obvs.)

TheFecklessFairy · 28/04/2015 18:51

Now you're being silly nancy - my son knows what to do and NOT to do, which is why he's been backpacking safely to the other side of the world, with stopovers in the East. Because I educated him.

Nolim · 28/04/2015 18:52

I dont know about the legal system in indonesia and imo death is a harsh penalty except for the worst crimes.

But drug traficking is a crime and it has to be punished. I have little sympathy for someone who knowgly transports drugs. A few years in prison sound right. Firing squad is too much i think.

londonrach · 28/04/2015 18:54

I have no sympathy with these drug dealers, snugglers who knowing what they do kill other familes children, brothers, sisters, uncles and aunts. Their families yes but the men themshelves...no way. Anyone who seen their affect would agree. Horrible so called human beings. I work within nhs and see the damage these men do to familes! I hope they understand their crime!!!! (Only learnt today these men were drug dealers, snugglers).

blue42 · 28/04/2015 18:55

TheFecklessFairy, sorry but I think you're the one being silly. Did you read what you wrote before you hit "post"?

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orangutanhihio · 28/04/2015 18:55

Btw I never said I agree with the death penalty, I said it's sad that they will receive it but I still think there are more deserving causes of government time than campaigning on behalf of drugs traffickers. It's well known that trafficking drugs in certain parts of the world will result in death if convicted.

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LaurieFairyCake · 28/04/2015 18:56

It's very easy to get conned or diverted into carrying drugs, what pisses me off is people thinking it can't happen to them. I've been conned out of money in airports while sleep deprived and I'm reasonably intelligent. Do people not realise how sophisticated the traffickers are?

I disagree completely with the death penalty and anyone listening to the Indian woman begging for the life of her son this afternoon Sad should feel nothing but compassion.

worridmum · 28/04/2015 18:56

Death pentily i totally disagree with so as its barbaric but I belive they should spend the rest of their lives in prision for drug dealing / smuggling but they shouldnt be killed for it.

londonrach · 28/04/2015 18:57

Nolim. I dont agree with killing people but drug dealers and men who have sex or abuse children might change my mind!!!! If you saw the damage these people do.....

SlaggyIsland · 28/04/2015 18:59

I think death by firing squad is a ridiculously harsh punishment for the crime.
Unless you would wish the same on alcohol importers, for instance. Think of the dreadful health consequences and social misery that alcohol causes.

Anomaly · 28/04/2015 19:00

I can't get my head round anyone being able to support the death penalty. If its wrong to murder someone why is it then ok for the state to 'murder' someone if they've broken a law. In a way its worse than murder because they wait years knowing its going to happen.

LikeIcan · 28/04/2015 19:01

YANBU - god knows how many lives they destroy smuggling drugs.

I have no sympathy whatsoever.

Christinayangstwistedsister · 28/04/2015 19:01

Its the people at the top of the drug chain, the ones that make the most money and get away scot free, that should be targeted

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