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To think you shouldn't give someone's dog 'a thrashing' if it bites you?

146 replies

GuestCat · 22/04/2015 18:20

Went for country walk with my uncle, public footpath across farmland. Uncle is in his late 60s, lived and worked on farms when he was young. He always carries a wooden stick that he calls his 'snake-stick' in case he needs to move cattle away from a gate. As we were crossing a bridge (clearly signposted as a public right of way) a large dog ran up to us and sank its teeth into my uncle's leg, completely unprovoked and with no warning, no growling or anything. Uncle grabbed it by collar, half-choked it until it let go, then started hitting it (hard) with his stick. Dog was yelping and trying to get away, I told Uncle to let it go as i was worried he'd hurt it or worse. He said dog needed a 'good thrashing' to teach it a lesson. Woman then appeared, said dog was hers and shouted at us, turns out she lives next to bridge. They had a massive argument, dog ran back to its house, woman said she'd report my uncle to RSPCA for being cruel to dog, uncle said he'll report her for letting aggressive dog on the footpath.

I don't know what to think... my uncle insists he was in the right and says dog needed to be taught a lesson or it might hurt someone or bite a child, said people nowadays are too soft on dogs. I felt a bit sorry for dog, he said I'm too soft and would think differently if i'd been raised on a farm like he was. AIBU for thinking he shouldn't have given it a thrashing?
BTW the bite wasn't deep as he had cords on, but it left bruise and little blue puncture marks where teeth went in.

OP posts:
Aeroflotgirl · 22/04/2015 19:27

Your uncle was completely right, it was attacking him, so he did what he needed to do, to get it off, or his injuries could be much worse. I dread to think that harm it would have done to a small child.

Lavenderice · 22/04/2015 19:30

I think the fact that he carried on and the dog a 'good thrashing' afterwards would make me dislike him a great deal. Having been bitten by a dog both as a child and an ault I would advocate doing anything to get the dog off him whilst it was attacking, but preventing it from getting away and carried on attacking it until it was yelping in pain is deplorable. This is more the owners fault than the dog.

HeyDuggee · 22/04/2015 19:31

Yes, the dog is never at fault. Some dogs aren't more aggressive. Some dogs aren't more docile. It's society, it's his upbringing, it's all those damn ribbons he was pressured to win at the stupid championships.

Lavenderice · 22/04/2015 19:33

HeyDuggee yes some dogs are more aggressive than others but it's the owners responsibility to take steps to ensure they don't hurt anybody.

geekymommy · 22/04/2015 19:40

I suspect it might not be a good idea. An animal that is attacked might retaliate. It might be a better idea to get the dog to stop attacking you (using force if necessary), then focus on getting away from the dog. I wouldn't want to spend any more time than absolutely necessary around a dog that was likely to attack me.

Afterward, the dog should be reported as dangerous, if local laws provide for that. Nobody should have a dog that attacks passersby unprovoked and with no warning.

Alisvolatpropiis · 22/04/2015 19:48

The initial hitting I can totally understand and would almost certainly have done myself. Continuing? Well whilst not strictly necessary, that too is understandable, in the heat of the moment.

bumblingbovine49 · 22/04/2015 20:03

Well I have been bitten by a dog years ago in a similar situation to this. I was walking on a country path (in Italy) and noticed a tractor coming towards me. Running alongside the tractor was a dog which ran up to me, jumped up and bit me on the leg at the top of the outside of my thigh. It was completely unprovoked but I didn't hit it because it bit once and ran off and at first I though it had just jumped up at me. However when I realised my leg hurt, I checked my leg and it had broken the skin, through a pair of jeans. I think if it had not let go immediately, I would definitely have hit out but it was all so quick that I was shocked and didn't actually hit the dog at all

MrsTerryPratchett · 22/04/2015 20:04

Frankly, if you're enough of a fucking tool to have a dog off lead and un-muzzled who bites, you deserve to go to jail. It's the owner, not the dog, who deserves consequences.

honeyroar · 22/04/2015 20:14

To tell the dog off and give it a slap is quite understandable, to beat the living day lights out of an animal with a thick wooden stick is barbaric and backwards. For those of you agreeing, if your young child bit another child at school would you be ok with a teacher beating them with a stick "until they learned their lesson"??

I would also have told the owner that I would be reporting them to the dog warden, and probably would have done. To be honest, after your uncle's behaviour beating the dog he was never going to get anything other than an arguement from the owner. A less heated conversation may have ended with the owner seeing sense about her dog and the fact that it needed a muzzle and not letting off. Battering it just left her angry and incapable of taking anything onboard.

KingJoffreyFanciesDarylDixon · 22/04/2015 20:16

He should've killed it.

Next time it might bite a child.

GatoradeMeBitch · 22/04/2015 20:24

Would the beating really make the dog more likely to attack though? The dog has learnt that if he runs up to a stranger and bites him, he may get his head kicked in. Would he want to repeat that experience? I would have thought it would make him more wary and stranger avoidant.

magoria · 22/04/2015 20:27

The dog should be PTS.

It got out went up to a random stranger and attacked.

It is only 'lucky' it was a grown adult it bit.

Lavenderice · 22/04/2015 20:36

I find some of the answers of barbaric.

shewept · 22/04/2015 20:39

DD was attacked and I kicked the dog in the head until it dropped her. He ear was detached from where it meets the scalp. Then carried on kicking it until it ran off, while trying to shield her. Yes I hurt it. Not I didn't care. Its a massive dog and I thought it was going to kill her when it had her head in its mouth.

Would definitely do it again.

spiney · 22/04/2015 20:41

That dog could have bitten the face off someone more his height. Like a child.

So dangerous. Not its fault at all but nevertheless so dangerous. Irrelevant if the dog has never done it before. Because he has now.

I really hope that dog was reported OP.

I think it all must have happened fast and emotions ran high understandably. It must of been upsetting, shocking and very painful for your U. We are not always our most rational or pragmatic in those circumstances.

Agree with the poster who said they would love to have heard the dog owners's convo with RSPCA reporting your Uncle.

BoozeyTuesday · 22/04/2015 20:42

He was probably frightened it would attack him again and wanted to make sure it didn't get him again. It was an unprovoked attack, the onus wasn't on him to act with reason or restraint.

Lavenderice · 22/04/2015 20:48

*Some of the answers on here barbaric (sorry it's been a long day)

HerRoyalNotness · 22/04/2015 20:51

honey a child has reasoning ability, an animal does not. You do what you have to, to stop an animal biting a person.

Variousrandomthings · 22/04/2015 20:52

I think he was just shocked and over reacted

The dog ends to be put down though. It's a danger

GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 22/04/2015 20:52

From your description he went too far. Hitting in self defence is fine. I wouldn't have carried on hitting it after I was happy that it wasn't going to bite me again.

dejarderoncar · 22/04/2015 20:56

Worked on a farm. Carries a stick. Believes in 'a good thrashing' as a way to discipline an animal, so probably not the first time in 60 years that he has thrashed a dog. Yes the dog's owner was in the wrong, and it's good that your uncle was not badly hurt. But Karma Works in strange ways...

honeyroar · 22/04/2015 21:00

Thrashing the animal with a stick didn't stop it. It already had. It just made him feel better basically. It probably makes it more fearful and aggressive. How do you think a dog fighter trains a fighting dog? By winding it up or being nice to it? Which behaviour do you think trains aggression.....

I'm not saying don't hit the dog or that it should have been left. Just that a severe battering wa OTT.

Variousrandomthings · 22/04/2015 21:00

It's a bit like being burgled. If a burglars breaking in (or a dogs biting you) there's going to be a mixture of reactions. Some reactions might be very extremely physical however the victim has every right to fight them off and scare them away.

The dog needs to be put down

Stinkersmum · 22/04/2015 21:01

The dogs owner is definitely at fault for not having her dog under control. As for your uncle and his reaction? Hitting the dog to get the dog to release it's bite is fine. Beating it to teach it a lesson is down right cruel, ignorant and arsehole-ish.. I'm guessing he's the type that would rub his dogs nose in it's own mess if it fouled in the house too. All physical beatings do to a dogs is instill fear. And it's fear that makes dogs aggressive.

PurpleSwift · 22/04/2015 21:04

The dog needs reporting. He reacted in the worst possible way though tbh, the dog has clear issues and his response just cementes them further.