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To think three female party leaders should manage a debate without group cuddling on stage?

144 replies

Arsenic · 16/04/2015 22:41

Just pfft.

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curlyweasel · 17/04/2015 11:24

I missed the hug thankfully. I'm a firm handshake sort of girl.

Unfortunately, I didn't miss EM taking every opportunity to gaze meaningfully into camera 1 every time he answered a question from the audience.

He's very queasy looking, isn't he?

Arsenic · 17/04/2015 11:28

Me too Marbles.

I was about to say that there is an insidious male notion that women are all care bears or marmosets. But it appears Ptolemy and Natalie, Nicola and Liane is also a fan of the theory.

You are a woman Ptolemy? Hmm

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PrincessOfChina · 17/04/2015 11:32

I wouldn't call it a cuddle.

I did find it somewhat unprofessional that neither Leanne Wood or Natalie Bennett shook hands with Farage.

And yes, I'm aware he's a cunt.

Kampeki · 17/04/2015 11:38

Meh, I wouldn't shake hands with Farage either.

Arsenic · 17/04/2015 11:39

Yes, it was sort of a forehead touch....

Pah. I'll just turn off faster in future Smile

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Duckdeamon · 17/04/2015 11:39

Lots of sexist insults on this thread.

worksallhours · 17/04/2015 11:42

I think the absolute pressure of the election must be immense. Last night they stood up in front of our nation and debated. It was massively stressful I imagine and my initial reaction was that it was a response to having survived that.

This is the problem though, isn't it? The pressure of an election is nothing compared to some of the choices and decisions that need to be made in government, where outcomes will directly affect the lives of millions of people.

If these women feel stressed in a televised debate, how the hell are they going to cope when faced with a genuinely serious diplomatic incident that potentially could be seen as an act of war by a major world power (the Litvinenko incident was very touch-and-go at one point)? How are they going to cope with foreign incursions into British territorial waters, such as we are seeing at present in the waters around Scotland? How will they respond with a clear head to a major terrorist incident that requires decisions on the hoof?

That is the reality of government at the end of the day. Senior female politicians such as Claire Short understood this; I am not so sure these women do.

medona · 17/04/2015 11:57

Yanbu! I cringed, just awful.

Lots of the nationalists loved this though...

PtolemysNeedle · 17/04/2015 12:01

Yes, I am a woman!

The point is whether it came naturally to them or not. If it did, then I don't see the problem. I don't think it's unprofessional, I think it's friendly.

I get that some people aren't naturally tactile and don't like touching other people but that doesn't apply to everyone. And if it doesn't apply to the women in question, then where's the issue?

YouBetterWerk · 17/04/2015 12:02

Don't see the problem myself, agree with PP's, especially Downtownfunk

Hope not hate, I say.

PtolemysNeedle · 17/04/2015 12:02

Agree with Princess. What was unprofessional is that they didn't shake hands with Farage. They may not like him, but he had every right to be there and deserved to be treated with as much respect and professional courtesy as anyone else.

BreacaBoudica · 17/04/2015 12:06

I don't object - it doesn't make me take them lesd seriously! And I'm glad they didn't shake hands with cuntfeatures Farage too - win win for me! (Felt a bit sad for Ed though...)

Bakeoffcake · 17/04/2015 12:12

It wasn't a cuddle ffs.

They hugged each other. I don't see a problem with it at all.

Bakeoffcake · 17/04/2015 12:13

I can understand why they would want to touch Farage with a barge pole.

Bakeoffcake · 17/04/2015 12:14

Shit I meant wouldn't

Arsenic · 17/04/2015 12:14

What's the difference between a cuddle and a hug?

If i was trying to be accurate, I'd call it a group hug with touchy foreheads.

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Arsenic · 17/04/2015 12:14

Bake Grin

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InterOuta · 17/04/2015 12:15

I think all three should unite together and start A Women's party Smile

Bakeoffcake · 17/04/2015 12:16
Grin

The thought of touching Farage made me feel a little queasy and I was typing too fast!

2rebecca · 17/04/2015 12:17

It looked a bit cliquey. I think they should have invited Nick Clegg and don't understand his omission and I'm not a lib democrat. OK Dave didn't want to come but excluding the Lib Dems looked churlish and petty.

PrincessOfChina · 17/04/2015 12:24

The thing is, when you are a senior leader in any industry, you cannot go about not shaking hands with someone because you don't like them or their beliefs.

They should have shook hands and thanked him for the debate.

To answer another queston - the reason Clegg wasn't invited was because this was designed as an opposition debate. Clegg and the Liberal Democrats are not currently part of the opposition.

Eigg · 17/04/2015 12:29

I'm not a 'higher' personally but I was personally less disturbed by their brief, physical expression of support of each other than by the number of Mumsnetters on last nights thread who felt the need to comment on the First Minister's shoes. Nice to see people focus on the important things. Hmm

Nicola Sturgron did shake Nugel Farrage's hand last night and indeed it looked to me like she led the way for Ed Milliband to shake his hand too as he didn't move to do so until after she had.

SirChenjin · 17/04/2015 12:31

The thing is, when you are a senior leader in any industry, you cannot go about not shaking hands with someone because you don't like them or their beliefs

^^ This. It made them look like nothing more than a petty schoolgirl clique. Time for them all to grow the fuck up, come up with some real explanations of how they are going to implement their policies instead of simply filling the air with words, and stop acting so petty.

Ginmartini · 17/04/2015 12:31

YANBU!

Fecking ridiculous and dragging feminism back years.

Maybe they could have worn aprons, baked cupcakes or stroked fluffy kittens and called each other 'hon' while they debated the future of our nation?

Eigg · 17/04/2015 12:34

Sir Chen Nicola Sturgeon did shake hands with NF and as in fact the first to do so.