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To have asked friend to curb this destructive cycle when she is staying at my house (sensitive topic, potential triggers)

30 replies

HourOrTwo · 16/04/2015 15:57

One of my close friends has suffered on-and-off from bulimia for 18 years. She had treatment as a teenager but refuses more treatment as she doesn't want it to go on medical records because of career. She also says it helps her control her weight (she's underweight) and says she doesn't want to stop yet. In past I've done everything I can think of to help her but i've accepted she has to want to get better first.

Anyway when she stayed with me recently, she binged on junk-food every night then went to toilet after every binge to vomit it all up. She openly admitted doing this. It annoyed me because I felt whole visit was centred around her binge-vomit cycle. Eg as DH and DD were away we'd planned a cosy night in, chatting by fireside, but she made the whole evening about food. We cooked a meal but then she wanted to cook bacon and sausages as well, then heat up soup, then desserts from freezer, crisps, chocolate etc and went to make herself sick every 30 mins or so. She was still cooking food at midnight. She was distant and preoccupied. When she did same the following 2 nights I felt really pissed off as it was like she'd only come to eat my food (and waste it) and wasn't even trying to curb the urge to do so. I appreciate she felt she was on holiday and was comfortable enough with me not to care I knew what she was doing, but for me it ruined the visit. Also the bathroom reeked of vomit. I tried to talk to her about it but she didn't want to discuss it.

She recently did same thing at a friend's wedding (binging on the wedding buffet then being sick in toilets every half an hour). A mutual friend heard her being sick and asked me if she was ok, I had to cover for her and say she'd had a bad reaction to something. It was really obvious that she was eating way more than anyone else, e.g. loading her plate with 6 different desserts.

So this time when she came to stay with me, I took her aside on arrival and very gently explained i don't want her to binge-vomit in my house, particularly as DH and DD are here this time. I told her how it makes me feel, and said i'll do anything to help, but said I can't stand by while she actively chooses to do this.
I also mentioned the wedding and how it was inappropriate to binge since she was part of bridal party and it wasn't her food to waste.
WIBU?

She got upset and cried, we talked, and she agreed not to do it this time.
To her credit, she did not binge. However, she also hardly ate anything, would only eat very low-calorie foods like vegetables and salad, and asked if she could take some of the other food home. I said yes, not realising she would fill her suitcase with food from my kitchen, and package up as much food from our fridge as she could (e.g. cake, desserts, cheese and other things she had declined to eat at the time, not just taking a couple of slices but cutting off huge chunks e.g. she cut an apple pie in half and wrapped it in clingfilm, did the same with cake, leftover pizza etc). DD asked me why she was doing this, I didn't know what to say.

I didn't say anything to friend this time, but now she wants to plan next visit and I don't know what (if anything) I should say to her about the food issues.
I know she needs help and support but she won't accept professional help.

OP posts:
Ginmartini · 16/04/2015 16:00

Wow I feel so sorry for her. Talk about absolutely taking over her life Sad.

I'm quite surprised she was bingeing and vommitting all night with you there, I naively thought people with bulimia did it in secret/private.

Ginmartini · 16/04/2015 16:01

Posted too soon - YANBU for not wanting her to do it at your house. You can be supportive and be her friend but decide not to have her to stay at your house you know. And be honest with her about it.

Seriouslyffs · 16/04/2015 16:02

You saying 'no, you're not welcome in my house' could be her rock bottom and what makes her realise she needs help.
Taking your food and taking so much that your dd noticed is provocative- she might be pushing you to push her iyswim.
Flowers

lordStrange · 16/04/2015 16:04

I have no advice for you but I do think you are a very kind friend to her. She is terribly ill.

I'm not sure I could have her visit me again. Sad

Littleturkish · 16/04/2015 16:08

Try calling BEAT, they're excellent at advice and can really help in this sort of situation.

Also ABC have given me lots of support in the past.

HeyDuggee · 16/04/2015 16:08

I'm just shocked that she packed up your food. What sort of a guest does that? Can you point out to her how ill she must be to do such a thing?

TheListingAttic · 16/04/2015 16:09

What a horrible situation. How do you think she'd react if you said "your illness is getting in the way of us being friends, and I'm not sure I can have you to visit while it still has such a hold on you because it has a knock-on effect on me and my family"? And offer support and friendship, but say future visits are off the cards until she can get some help?

I also thought this tended to be a very secret/private thing, and was quite shocked at what you described - it's obviously got such a hold that doing it is more important than hiding it.

confusedandemployed · 16/04/2015 16:10

FWIW I think you sound amazingly supportive. Just reading the OP turned my insides cold. I would be incredibly uncomfortable in your shoes. There is no way on earth I could have her back iny house after that.

lollipop28 · 16/04/2015 16:10

She is very ill. I've had a severe eating disorder my whole life. and I really feel for her.
I think you need to inform yourself about it and stop being so judgmental.

GloGirl · 16/04/2015 16:11

I kind of think she's the equivalent of an alcoholic who spills over from being someone who comes for the weekend and drinks a lot into someone who gets paraletic and agressive the whole weekend.

At some point you have to say in your head that although you want to be supportive and helpful to your friend, her negative behaviour holds too great an impact on your life when she visits. That's not unreasonable.

hobNong · 16/04/2015 16:12

I know she has an ED but seems she's really, really not well or she is bloody rude. All that food won't come cheap!

Seriouslyffs · 16/04/2015 16:16

I think the Op is being very unjudgemental lolli
She's tried several techniques to spend time with her friend and is looking for a way to support her and look after her own needs.
What would have helped you?

PenguinsandtheTantrumofDoom · 16/04/2015 16:17

I think you are right. There is a line past which you are enabling the behaviour. Expecting to pack up all your food to binge on would be that line for me.

You talk about visits? Does she live too far away for you to meet rather than stay?

evertonmint · 16/04/2015 16:18

Lollipop - I don't think the OP is being judgmental at all. She has an ill friend who she's incredibly supportive of who is now behaving in an increasingly concerning manner that makes the OP and her DD very uncomfortable. I don't read judgment at all in what she's saying.

I think the analogy with an alcoholic is an apt one. I think you may have reached the point where you have to protect yourself and your family OP. If your friend can't respect your boundaries then I think it's ok to say "no more visits". She sounds so ill :(

binspin · 16/04/2015 16:21

The fact that she's sharing it with you (even if it is over sharing) is kind of a good thing. She trusts you.

Has she ever discussed why she does it? Do you think she knows why?

hobNong · 16/04/2015 16:22

Really lollipop? Op doesn't sound like she is being judgemental in the slightest.

BarbarianMum · 16/04/2015 16:30

There is a difference between being understanding and spectating lollipop. If the friend was alcoholic would the OP be expected to sit back, watch her get hammered and ransack the drinks cabinet?

OP can be supportive and friendlywithout having friend to stay. It won't help her friend to just pretend this behaviour is normal.

VipersBosom · 16/04/2015 16:33

I think you've been a good friend, OP, but I think being forced to collude in her ED needs to end here. You can run a sleepover binge-and-purge service, especially not in front of your daughter.

I also think there's something more complex than any 'typical' presentation of bulimia I've ever come across going on - as others have said, it's usually an intensely private, almost shameful activity, shared only with other ED sufferers, in person or online. Almost parading it in front a friend, and letting the friend see you binge and hear you vomit is unusual, but the oddest part for me is her public, agreed-on semi-'theft' of massive amounts of food from your house. That, to me, sounds as if she's pushing you aggressively into action. Or perhaps, despite having asked you to let her visit again, she's unconsciously begging you not to let her, because the freedom to binge and purge in front of someone else is disturbing and frightening.

I think you need to say she can't visit again, and direct her to ED helplines and groups that others have suggested. There is little more than you can do. She needs to want to get well, but she's deep in addiction, and she wants food more than she wants to be well at the moment. The 'I don't want it on my records' thing is a red herring. You can't change that. All you can do is refuse to enable her, and support her seeking treatment. Best wishes.

VipersBosom · 16/04/2015 16:34

Sorry, that should read 'you CAN'T run a sleepover binge and purge service'.

SolidGoldBrass · 16/04/2015 16:35

I agree with PPs who suggest telling her gently that she is no longer welcome to stay in your house if she's going to act out like this. Yes, she's ill, but you - and especially your DD - have a right to be comfortable in your own home.
It's not possible to 'cure' a serious mental illness like an eating disorder or an addiction by being endlessly kind and supportive - the person with the illness has to decide to seek professional help and engage with a treatment plane. If the person won't do this, it's OK to back off rather than have your own family life disrupted to this extent.

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 16/04/2015 16:38

It is a horrid illness. Shes obviously in tje grip of some very dark thoughts and feelings.

I would be concerned about message it was sending to my kids - if they are old enough to see and be affected by it.

I think you need to have a gentle supportive heart to heart... I suspec4 the best thing yo7 could do is encourage her to get professional help.

Eating disorders are difficult to self cure.

PenguinsandtheTantrumofDoom · 16/04/2015 16:38

It's not possible to 'cure' a serious mental illness like an eating disorder or an addiction by being endlessly kind and supportive - the person with the illness has to decide to seek professional help and engage with a treatment plane. If the person won't do this, it's OK to back off rather than have your own family life disrupted to this extent.

I totally agree with this. It was what I was facing with an alcoholic friend. Thankfully, she is now in recovery.

TonyThePony · 16/04/2015 16:46

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KoalaDownUnder · 16/04/2015 16:46

I think the judgemental bit came in when the OP talked about the wedding. It was 'inappropriate' to binge as she was in the bridal party and it wasn't her food to waste? Confused Of course it's inappropriate to binge and vomit at a social event (whether you're in the bridal party or not) - unless she's got some other very abnormal social skills, I'm sure the friend knows this.

Bulimia is a humiliating, horrible disease. If everything you say is accurate, OP, then you need to do whatever it takes to make your friend get help. If that includes telling her she can't stay with you anymore, then fair enough; I'm sure you know nobody's going to say you're unreasonable to not letting her eat you out of house and home.

OneFlewOverTheDodosNest · 16/04/2015 16:47

As an ED survivor I think you're doing the right thing to say she isn't welcome back until she gets help.

When I had anorexia I was skilled at lying to people to convince them I'd eaten, distracting them from the lack of food on my plate etc but I wouldn't have expected them to enable me in a similar way, even at the height of my illness.

The flaunting of her bulimia seems to me like a cry for help - she needs you to see how disordered her eating is and for you to tell her that it's not right. She will be furious at you and may call you terrible things, but subconsciously she knows she needs help and that's what she's hoping you'll give her.