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To be so insanely jealous, even though I don't want his life

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SEmyarse · 14/04/2015 07:42

I'm so sick of my brother falling on his feet.

I have 2 brothers. Myself, and the older one have had relatively difficult lives. He's struggled with drug use, and mental health and has often been homeless. My first husband was severely disabled, I was homeless for quite a while, and had to sleep on the floor of the residential home he lived in for several years. When we did eventually get housed together by the council, I had to manage a care package, provide a lot of care myself, look after 2 children and work also. I found it incredibly difficult to provide the daytime care, so chose to do 5 nights per week, this meant getting up at least 10 times in the night to reposition, sometimes staying up all night doing chest physio. I was widowed at the age of 29, and I have remarried. We were rehoused by the council, and were lucky to get a small pleasant terrace in a nice area.

All of this time my younger brother has been living at home. He's the only one who went to uni, which my parents fully funded twice. Although he didn't complete the second one they paid for everything including catering for 7 full years, and a year in Chile. He's been back at home since then and has paid £50 per week to include all bed/board/bills etc. I'm not sure how much he earns, but he laughed his head off fairly recently. Somehow the figure of 20k was mentioned, and he thought it hilarious that I thought he might be earning this much, so I can only assume significantly less. He works fairly low hours, teaching children's languages classes after school etc.

He has had 2 fiancees since living at home. The first one was apparently great until she made it clear that she didn't want to live with them, and had her own career aspirations as a midwife. Now he's engaged again and I'm finding it physically sickening how mum keeps telling me how fantastic she is for him because she's such a good cook and housekeeper. 'He needs looking after, you know, he won't even make his own coffee'.

The lady in question seems lovely, if shy and quiet. She was very lucky to get the first job she applied for when moving near them, it's as a TA so I assume earns little. She only has to work term time, and my brother mostly works term time too, so they have pots of free time.

So now they've been looking for housing for after the wedding. My brother initially mentioned a tiny cottage on a main road, a little out of the area so it was cheaper. This seemed sensible to me, even though I was surprised they could get a mortgage at all.

But now I've had excited phone calls from both of them. Somehow they've secured a massive 3 bed semi, opposite my mum, and even includes all the furniture, kitchen goods, TV etc since they got in quick after the old lady died. I was astonished that this was possible, those houses are not cheap. Mum said 'he's done so well, he's saved up 50k deposit'. Which I was relatively impressed with until it transpired that almost all of that was from both sets of parents, and actually the numbers they gave don't add up it must be a much higher amount than that. He will be paying less than my council rent for 16 years and then he'll own a massive house! I've been paying full rent for 19 years already. They've also all arranged between all the parents to do all the childcare for the 4!! children that don't exist yet. Obviously, i do know, things might not go as planned.

I don't want to live opposite mum. I Don't want my childrearing planned out for me. I don't want to live in strict gender roles. but I'm still bloody jealous that he gets everything without hardly having to work.

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Yepcomfortable · 14/04/2015 08:37

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suzannecanthecan · 14/04/2015 08:38

Fgs don't be a martyr and look after them when they're elderly, move away and just refuse, make it clear now that you won't do it.
Let your brother do it to repay them for all the extra help.
I hate the way that some people expect women to sacrifice themselves for others and men are just left to live their lives for themselves.Angry
Don't go along with the gender stereotyping! ?

KateSpade · 14/04/2015 08:41

I have a friend like this - left Uni, without a degree but was offered 2 jobs in her industry before she'd even left. Gets paid nearly double what I do! & now has just bought her own house with her boyfriend!

Also, has just learnt to drive - I'm not allowed to drive so this really gets me! - very U I know!

It's just like everything's fallen into place for her!

owlonabike · 14/04/2015 08:45

YANBU to feel resentful, but resentment will consume you if you let it. As PPs have said, you don't know the full picture of your brother's life. You are a strong person, who has overcome many difficulties. Focus on the positive- easier said than done, I know. As far as care for parents goes, don't even consider it unless YOU want to do it. I would be mentioning, in a bright and cheery way and preferably in front of brother's girlfriend, that DPs are so lucky to have them living nearby: as DPs become increasingly infirm, son and DiL will be able to just pop in and help at a moment's notice. How convenient for everyone! Set out your stall early, OP, and stay strong.

suzannecanthecan · 14/04/2015 08:51

I feel sorry for the girlfriend, you can bet your bottom dollar that she'll be railroaded into caring for the parents, if you refuse it will become her duty to do it on behalf of your brother.

I'd make sure she knows that so she can prepare herself or get out now while still can?

VeryAgedParent · 14/04/2015 08:59

As my name suggests I am of the age to have had a lot of life experience, and can tell you quite categorically that those that you envy (even if only a little) are often not at peace with themselves.

Those who have not had to struggle often have no empathy with regards to difficulties that others might have and are not often very nice people whom others like and respect.
Also you never know what hidden agendas lie beneath the surface of their seemingly easy lives.

What you see on the surface is often not the true picture.
I understand its human to think "well aren't they the lucky ones" but just remind yourself that sometimes "luck" doesn't make you a better/nicer person.

My youngest sister, had everything, the uni education, husband who dotes on her, never financially had to work, lovely homes, no mortgage etc etc
No-one in the family and extended family likes her, or has anything to do with her. She is self absorbed,intolerant, and unsympathetic of others suffering life's difficulties, I might have envied her slightly once but she has no real friends, and family do not like and respect her.

Live your life the best way you can!

bananayellow · 14/04/2015 08:59

Just make it very clear that you will not be caring for them. Do not feel beholden to them in that way. You owe them nothing. This is in your control.

Whether you do this or not is up to you. My parents know that I will not be caring for them (and wouldn't expect me to). You need to make this clear now and manage their expectations, by laughing it off if it is mentioned and saying something like. "I've done my share of caring with DH. Isn't is lucky that you have db living across the road from you".

bananayellow · 14/04/2015 09:02

Before I sound like a really callous cow, I must make it clear that I really wouldn't want dc to care for me in my old age either. It's not fair to ask people to put their lives on hold, to do that.

Of course I'll be very involved in my dparents lives, I just won't be doing the actual caring.

laurierf · 14/04/2015 09:38

I think your feelings are normal but, as others have said, you are only harming yourself if you let them eat away at you - focus on yourself and all that you have achieved and want for you and your DC.

With regard to caring for elderly parents, in my family the siblings have not all received equal help from them - help has been offered on a needs and circumstances basis, which means some have got more than others. One thing is clear - the one who has received the most is also the one who will be most responsible for care if/when the time comes. Others, like me, have moved away from the area to pursue careers and adventures and only visit home infrequently (although we all have a very good relationship, it's just time and distance that gets in the way). The one who has received the most help is more tied and is also more thoughtful about parents' needs etc. - the rest of us are grateful to them for that because we love our family but don't want to hold back on our own lives elsewhere. You need to extricate yourself from this expectation that you will care for your parents when your brother has received so much help and is living opposite them! (again, as others have said, I suspect his wife will end up looking after them).

OwlinaTree · 14/04/2015 09:41

We all know someone like this, where it seems everything they touch turns to gold and everything just falls into place for them. It's very hard not to be jealous, you have to acknowledge the feeling and then let it go. Focus on all you've achieved, I always like to think my life would make a better book then theirs would!

It is harder when it's a family member tho, at least with a friend you are not privy to all the detail so can think that stuff goes on behind closed doors etc.

Satsumafairy · 14/04/2015 09:53

You've had an incredibly tough time and the fact that you're now on your feet is bloody wonderful. I do understand what you mean, I have a lovely friend whose brother is treated like this and it upsets her terribly. However, she would absolutely hate to be someone who is beholden to her parents and is incapable of making a cup of coffee!! Seriously, who wants to be like that? It's pathetic and being spoilt in that way is a hugely unattractive quality!

As for doing the elderly care, don't. I know it's harder than that in practice but it will just make you feel even more resentful and upset. I care for my MIL but that is my choice, no one has made me do it.

juliej75 · 14/04/2015 10:12

I really feel for you. What horrendous times you've suffered without any help at all. Flowers

I agree with a pp that your parents sound very passive and only give help when asked rather than offering. Mine are a little like this and as I don't ever ask for help, I don't get. My siblings are happy to ask and therefore get. I have been upset by the favouritism in the past, but I now recognise that I would rather be able to say that I have achieved things myself. Other people are happier to be more reliant. Different strokes and all that.

You have so much to be proud of, and now appear to have a very happy and independent life. Keep reminding yourself of all the positives in your life and why you wouldn't want a life like your DBs.

I still feel cross on your behalf, though, that it never occurred to your parents to offer their help to you. And in the circumstances, I think it would be perfectly reasonable to put back any requests for elder-care onto your brother: "I think it would be lovely for you, DB, to show our parents how much you appreciate all their help over the years by helping them in return".

You may wish to help to some degree, but you certainly shouldn't feel obligated.

differentnameforthis · 14/04/2015 10:42

It is hard to watch this happening, unfortunately, when he hits hard times & your parents aren't around, he will find it VERY difficult to cope.

SEmyarse · 14/04/2015 17:35

Sorry, started this thread thinking I had about an hour before work and then got a call to come in early.

Clarifying a few things.

I live 250 miles away, it is expected that I will move back at such time that I am needed. As much as I feel adamant now that this will not happen, I don't know what will happen if there's a crisis and I get the guilt trip. My dad died a few years ago, so its only my mum to worry about.

I didn't ask for help with uni because I didn't think that's what people did once they were adults. I didn't get any careers advice at school at all, so I just trawled prospectuses at the library. When I came home with ideas for careers, mum always seemed uninterested and dad was terrified I was going to go somewhere horrid like Birmingham or Bradford 'full of muslims'. I don't recall anyone actually discussing with me possibilities. I don't know whether db asked for help or not, but I do recall lots of excited discussion for years before he was old enough of what he would do.

Sleeping on the floor of a residential home is a bit of an odd situation but genuinely happened. The residential home was actually a small group home for people with physical disabilities, and they were very open to a resident having a relationship. i fell pregnant and became homeless almost simultaneously. For a while I slept on his floor, but then the council gave me the self contained disability flat in the homeless hostel, but I could only keep it if he stayed over 3 nights a week. As i had never been officially living in this area, i wasn't entitled to housing help in my own right, but if I went back to my own area my 1st dh would not be able to visit. So he stayed over 3 nights a week, but we had no care, so I was physically lifting him in and out of bed etc up till 9 months pregnant. I only had a coin meter for electric which had to power his ventilator. Once I went overdue, it all got too scary so we went back to the home, with me sleeping on the floor until I gave birth. When I tried to go back to the hostel I found I'd been evicted. Still not officially entitled to housing help in this area I took to sneaking into the home at night (with baby in tow) and sleeping on the floor, while setting up a travel cot in the second bathroom. All of the other residents were very supportive and most of the carers, but the new manager wasn't so I had to leave at 6am every day and walk the streets until about 10am, till I came back to 'visit'.

I'm not jealous of the living set-up at all, I wouldn't live opposite my mum for a million pounds. i'm just jealous that someone can live the life he intends on very little effort, condoned by my mum. He's going to give up his holiday work when kids come along, so both parents will be working term time only. And my mum is listing all the things she intends to pay for for the kids, music lessons, tennis lessons etc, which I can't afford. She pays for a huge amount of things for her other 'granddaughter' (my elder brother's, ex-wife's, daughter), so I'm sure it will happen. During the conversation last night she asked where we were going on hols, and when I answered, she said 'oh, I thought you planning to go abroad this year.' I explained that we couldn't afford it now since we'd had to replace my car. At which point she called across to db, in the background, 'oh yes, we're going to need to sort you out a bigger car aren't we?' and he said 'oh yeah, thanks mum!' He doesn't need to ask!

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sabrina00 · 14/04/2015 18:52

He went to uni, studied hard, got a job and is reaping the rewards.

You got married, popped out a couple of kids and got yourself a council house.

Yet you expect the same lifestyle as him? Okay then.

ScrambedEggAndToast · 14/04/2015 19:04

It must be hard for you OP, I know the feeling with my sister. She's really fallen on her feet with her husband who is loaded. Whilst I'm stuck in a rented 2 bed flat, they are looking to rent out their 500k flat and purchase another property for around £700k. They are always on foreign holidays and have a hobby that must cost them at least £500-1000 per month between them. Hard not to feel jealous but hey, what can I do?!!

BalloonSlayer · 14/04/2015 19:25

Why don't you say something?

When your mum starts listing all the things she intends to pay for for the kids, music lessons, tennis lessons etc, why don't you just say: "Why are you planning to pay for those things but you have never offered to pay for them for MY kids?"

And when she blusters, say "Well you must understand it hurts me and Older Brother that you give him things you don't give us. It's your money, of course, but it's really insensitive to tell us all about it."

SEmyarse · 14/04/2015 20:03

He went to uni, studied hard, and got a job?

He went to uni twice, and didn't finish the second time. He is now self employed, I estimate less than 20 hours per week (less in holidays), doing something that doesn't need a degree. Mum finds him all his work.

He gets up after 10am every day and doesn't do anything around the house.

I don't know how much he earns, but he implied significantly less than 20k, and I know it was only last year that he told me he was proud to eventually have to pay some tax, so presumably just nudged over 10k then. I earn over 3 times that doing parcel/takeaway/leaflet deliveries - unskilled work.

I have ALWAYS worked, often very long hours. Yes, I accidentally fell pregnant. It happens and I couldn't have an abortion (emotionally). 1st dh could not work, he was paralysed and on a ventilator. He ran a wheelchair football team voluntarily. He was also 3 years past his life expectancy when I met him, although he actually lived another 10 years.

I have benefited from the state, but only in relation to his disability. There was no way we could ever contribute significantly, and even when we were eventually housed, our bedroom was too small for me to have a bed (another 5 years on the floor).

i definitely feel my brother has been lazier than me. And no I don't think he deserves a very large semidetached house with a garden and garage for his input.

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catsmother · 14/04/2015 20:07

Sabrina - that remark was snarky and totally unnecessary. In fact it was offensive.

Have you actually read what the OP's written, and what she's been through ? I think she should be bloody proud of herself TBH for not falling to pieces after all she's been through, and her opening post makes it clear she's appreciative of the council home she eventually obtained (she didn't just 'get herself' a council house FFS).

If I've read correctly, she works - she's not some sort of scrounger.

If I've read correctly, her brother, albeit a graduate isn't in some highly paid job that's enabled him to buy a home but is doing so due to the generosity of his mother - which wasn't extended in any way to the OP, even when she was sleeping on a floor for years on end.

I doubt she'd have started this thread had her brother done 'well' on his own merits .... what she understandably feels hurt by is the significant disparity in the way her mother has treated each sibling, both in the past, and present. In other words, she probably cannot understand why her mother shows such huge concern for her brother's happiness, standard of living and security yet effectively dismisses her. Even though the brother went to uni, and is therefore arguably better placed to help himself with these things. Don't underestimate how important it is for parents to encourage kids into university (if that's the right path for them) - without support and encouragement it's so easy, even for bright kids, to slip through the net or to suffer from such a lack of self esteem they don't believe university is for them and give up on the idea ..... maybe not quite so true now with all the info needed at hand on the net, but 20-30 years ago, parental support would have perhaps been even more important.

It's understandable the OP feels envious of the material differences but I strongly suspect it's the lack of care and concern that's hurting the OP most. It's a pretty big thing to try to come to terms with when your parent(s) favour one or more siblings over others.

I can't believe your parents let you live the way you did if they were in a position to help OP and am very sorry you're having to deal with some very unpleasant truths about your parents' feelings for you.

soundedbetterinmyhead · 14/04/2015 20:30

This is why mumsnet is here, so you can have this conversation and then get on with RL. Life's not fair, as you know, and none of us has any idea of what lies in the future. So, YANBU to be envious of his good luck but you are BU to yourself to let it govern your life. He probably is lazier and less deserving of a house. I remember being furious at school because the school bully had a pony and I was nice to everyone and only had a rabbit. Life's like that. Sorry.

Mumoftwoyoungkids · 14/04/2015 20:40

Ok - get yourself a shoe box. Write on the top - "For when mum needs care".

Every time they do something that favours your brother, write it down, open the box of the shoe box exactly 3mm and then slip it in.

DO NOT open the shoe box.

When you get a call saying that your mum needs care THEN you open the box, read everything through, then with no guilt at all say to your brother "sorry I'm too far away to help day to day and I can't leave here as this is my home. Still - I'm sure you and Susie will want to help mum out after she helped you with university / house / car / childcare. And isn't it great that you are so close. Don't worry I'll definitely come down for a day or 2 at Xmas."

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Blueskybrightstar · 14/04/2015 21:20

I'd move on with your life, focus on you and don't think about how or why your brother has what he does or doesn't. On the one hand, your parents may well treat him as the favourite (I know what that's like), but on the other hand, it wasn't your brothers fault you suffered in your life, and he sounds like a laid back guy who just took the best road for him, and good for him. He will face hard times and heartbreak at some point as we all do, and will one day have a lot more responsibilities. It's best to let the resentment go as ultimately you are the only one it is really hurting.

bananayellow · 14/04/2015 21:29

Please just tell her how it hurts your feelings to hear about all the help he gets. Tell her that it's ok, you understand that it is her money to spend how she wishes, but could she be sensitive enough not to rub your nose in it.

If you've never told her how it makes you feel ,then she'll never change her action as she genuinely thinks you really don't mind.

Pull her up on it every time she hurts you.

laurierf · 14/04/2015 23:47

You have a DH and 2 DC to think of, and you all live 250 miles away. You cannot change what has happened up until now, but you can change the expectation (yours and your mum's) that it is inevitable that you will be the one doing the care. DB now has a wonderful cook and housekeeper positioned right across the road from your mum. They are the ones who will be providing the care if/when the time arises, and you will be supportive and caring as much as you can be, but without disrupting the life you have built for yourself, your DH and your DC.