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To think construction company should be making sure this site is safe - even on a Sunday?

24 replies

ofcabbagesandkings · 12/04/2015 19:08

Bit of background - we live on a social housing estate. Our house (and several others in the vicinity) are undergoing repairs/improvements to our flat roofs, so we have scaffolding erected and supplies left outside in various places. These repairs are being carried out by a well-known contractor (not our social landlord).

This morning we had some rather strong winds. After hearing an almighty crash in my front garden, I rushed out to find a rather large and sharp piece of aluminium (an angled corner piece from the roof fascia is the best way to describe it) had landed just a few feet from my front door. Within half an hour, several large insulation boards (about 1.5x1m) had blown from the roof of my house and were being tumbled around the street.

Very concerned, I tried to call the "liaison officer" from the construction company to ask what could be done to make it safe. Went to answering machine, so I called emergency repairs for social landlord who were able to get hold of someone and (I presume) also contacted out council's environmental safety officer.

A little while later, we heard more bangs. More panels had blown down from the roof. Went outside to take more photos (as evidence for my formal complaint) and saw the safety officer doing the same. He explained he'd just been hit in the face by another panel, and took shelter under our porch while he called the construction company to see what could be done.

The jist of what I heard from one side of the conversation was very worrying!

  • That the call-centre operator was unable or unwilling? to provide contact information for someone in construction company who could make the site safe today
  • She also implied that the safety officer was exaggerating about the danger to residents and property
  • The impression that (no matter what) staff from construction company do not come to site on weekends
  • Suggestion that the fire brigade could come to make the site safe!
  • That the contracted company had sub-contracted this job out to /another/ company, and that communication was so stark that no-one really understands whose responsibility it is to make the site safe!

The council safety officer reassured me that he'd do all he can to make sure the site was safe for today, took lots of photos and will be making lots of noise when he goes into the office tomorrow! Luckily, the winds have died down - for now! But as yet no-one from the company has been to make the site safe, nor do I expect anything more will happen until tomorrow. We have more wind forecast for tonight, the boards on the scaffolding are all over the place, and I can see more unsecured aluminium and insulation panels from the top bedroom windows which could easily take a flight if it gets gusty again.

Clearly, the site should have been made safe on Friday... But AIBU to think the construction company should have been able to make this right today?

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wowfudge · 12/04/2015 19:30

Of course they should - your housing association had someone available for emergencies and so should a contractor. If they are in breach of their contract they will be in trouble and face a financial penalty. To say nothing of the damage to their reputation if this makes the local paper.

ChasedByBees · 12/04/2015 19:32

That's ridiculous. There must be some way to get their attention is there an external body which can take action against construction firms? Do they have a twitter? Can you find out the name of the CEO and does he have twitter? I'd be plastering it with photos.

ChasedByBees · 12/04/2015 19:33

Yes wow fudge has a good idea. Journalists work on Sundays. :)

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HelenaDove · 12/04/2015 19:37

Its all about cheap. There is a certain plumbing and heating company that does the gas safety checks for a LOT of HAs. They have just won a TEN YEAR contract with another HA despite not being able to keep the appointments they are responsible for now.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 12/04/2015 19:37

Terrible. I hope you get it safe before winds step up again. Shocking behaviour from the construction company.

Custardmiteofglut · 12/04/2015 20:08

I work in property and it's not very good at all that there isn't an out of hours emergency number that is answered. Worse still is that the material was not secured when the weather report indicated wind in certain parts of the country.
Reporters for local newspapers work on weekends. You'd be amazed how quickly some constructions firms will spring into action when journos call them accusing them of putting people's lives in danger...

Icimoi · 12/04/2015 20:15

I suspect that they may find themselves on the wrong end of a richly deserved prosecution. And I hope it's expensive for them.

HelenaDove · 12/04/2015 22:30

Has anyone been out OP?

ramanoop · 12/04/2015 22:32

If it's dangerous, call the fire brigade - they have teams which specialise in collapsed structures.

ramanoop · 12/04/2015 22:33

And yes, ideally construction companies should be able to solve problems immediately, but smaller ones simply don't have the resources to respond to emergencies: that's what the emergency services are for.

PiperIsTerrysChoclateOrange · 12/04/2015 22:37

I would be reporting this to the HSE.

My father runs sites and he would have the men's balls on a platter for not securing the site on Friday.

HelenaDove · 12/04/2015 22:39

Piper my dad was a builder /site foreman in the 60s 70s and 80s and he would have done the same.

bunchoffives · 12/04/2015 22:55

ramanoop I don't think public emergency services should have to step in because a private company that are making a profit on the job has not done their job safely or properly.

They better hope the council officer doesn't choose to sue for the panel blown into his face and that there were/are no other accidents - which could be very serious with bits of aluminium facings being thrown about.

Under CDM Regs just come into force the client is now liable for ensuring that projects are planned and carried out safely (although this one is probably under transition arrangements) - so its the landlord who is ultimately responsible.

ofcabbagesandkings · 12/04/2015 23:01

Thanks everyone, glad to know I'm not BU to be so concerned. Luckily no strong winds as yet.

Have already tweeted @ construction company and sent message via their FB page - no reply from either yet. A neighbour /did/ manage to get through on out of hours number earlier and was told someone was coming to inspect the site. Seems they did as the debris has been removed now, but nothing higher than ground level has been secured yet Sad

You'd be amazed how quickly some constructions firms will spring into action when journos call them accusing them of putting people's lives in danger...

I would have thought a H&S inspector telling them exactly that, along with the promise of writing up reports (complete with the call-centre operator's comments as above) would have been enough to spur action. Sadly not, it seems, though I do sincerely hope there will be a flurry of activity in the morning to secure the site!

Does anyone know if the planks on scaffolding (the big long ones which are used to walk on) should be secured to the scaffolding poles? None of them are here, and I don't know if it's normal or not. Another neighbour has complained a couple of times as they are very often dislodged during high winds and bang against the houses and windows. After complaining, someone will go up to realign them, but it happens over and over again...

TBH there's a lot to complain about in regards to the standard of work and safety of this site, but today has been the worst. Plan to find the site manager tomorrow to ask what will be done about maintaining the safety of the site and will definitely be contacting the local paper if I'm not satisfied - ours has a reputation for relishing stories like this Wink

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ramanoop · 12/04/2015 23:06

bunchoffives, of course they shouldn't, but the question isn't who is to blame. The question is who can fix a dangerous situation immediately. The public emergency services equally "shouldn't have to step in" because a taxi driver drives into a pedestrian or a restaurant sets fire to some oil - those things should never have happened in the first place.

But that's what they are there for. To protect innocent people when things go wrong.

ramanoop · 12/04/2015 23:08

Also, what construction company is it?

bunchoffives · 12/04/2015 23:20

Yes, everything should be secure, including scaffolding planks.

Forget the company, go straight to HSE before someone gets hurt.

Contact your regional office first thing

ofcabbagesandkings · 12/04/2015 23:58

Thanks bunchoffives, I'll call them tomorrow (also suspect the H&S man from the council will be doing the same!).

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ShadowStone · 13/04/2015 00:23

YANBU, I'm pretty sure that the construction company have a legal duty to make their site safe.

So if people are harmed or property damaged because they've failed to make the site safe, they'll be liable. Suggesting that the fire brigade should come and sort it out isn't really good enough. And yes, contact the HSE.

HelenaDove · 13/04/2015 00:25

Exactly Shadow There are loads of threads on this board all the time about how people should take personal responsibility but the minute corporate responsibility is mentioned you either get excuses made for them or......tumbleweed.

Ratfinkandbobo · 13/04/2015 00:56

Yanbu, however, after being in a similar position as you don't be surprised if they ignore, disregard any concerns. Contractors doing work on my property left a circular saw in my garden when I had 2 year old twins, no one gave a shit! We put said item in our shed, they never came back to collect it. Twins are 7 now!

bunchoffives · 13/04/2015 12:41

Had you reported the company to HSE though Ratfink I think you'd find they'd soon get very concerned.

A HSE prosecution, court case, and fine is not only financially disastrous, it destroys a company's reputation.

Ratfinkandbobo · 13/04/2015 20:10

Tbh, I didn't think of that at the time, the company went bust! Gave saw to my friends partnerGrin

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