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AIBU?

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to only work overtime if im paid double even though i earn a good wage

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ljwales · 08/04/2015 18:47

There is lots of stuff at work that needs to be finished early and I'm the only one that can really do it.

On my payslips is does always have no of overtime hours at 1, 1.5 and 2 so presumably they do sometimes pay this?

However as I'm one of the higher paid in the company this pushes it to asking for 50 pounds an hour.

Will I look grabby to only do the work for this amount? Tbh its not worth giving up a weekend otherwise and will get higher rate taxed on all of this

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ljwales · 08/04/2015 22:09

The work is to work the weekends, for toil would you expect 1:1 ?

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MargoReadbetter · 08/04/2015 22:10

Value your time and charge for it. Would the directors work without the expectation of a bonus or shares or whatever?

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ljwales · 08/04/2015 22:12

Well tbh I'm surprised the directors even bother to work, the company was valued at 80 million and its just three of them that own it

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MargoReadbetter · 08/04/2015 22:17

There you go then. Not some struggling idealists starting up.

HearTheThunderRoar · 08/04/2015 22:20

I know it's annoying OP but sadly that comes with a salaried job, I did three hours overtime yesterday and an hour the day before, sadly because I am a high earner on a salary and it did specify in my contract that overtime may be required I can't gain overtime.

Unfair but there probably isn't a lot you can do about it.

MargoReadbetter · 08/04/2015 22:23

OT when there's something unexpected. This sounds like some expected work but badly timed or the deadline mismanaged. DH's job pull this s*it, take on far too many projects for not enough people. Then expect them to 'fit it in'. The bosses are fine, thank you.

DisappointedOne · 08/04/2015 23:31

If £50 an hour is double time, you're on around £52k per year. I'm yet to work for any organisation paying overtime to staff earning that much.

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 09/04/2015 04:58

It's a well off presumably, private, company. I would have thought you are in a good position to ask. If you are the only one that can do this work.

For me, it would depend on how many hours, exactly where they were placed in my working week and how it was arranged, and whether or not it felt 'optional'... Even tho everyone has the right to withdraw their labour... But it is difficult if a chain of work breaks down as they are waiting for you to finish a specific task. In these situations it rarely feels optional.

Eg I would want more if at 4pm on a Friday I had to work all evening and part of Saturday and had to rearrange my home life to accomodate.

I think the debate around sucking up over time is an interesting one. Ive worked in an NHS profession where it was usual to do an extra 8-10 hours a week. There was no TOIL system,or not one that worked.
We were 'salaried professionals' .. It was expected.

Bizarrely, this also meant that our hourly rate would have been less than the people we supervised!!

munchkinmaster · 09/04/2015 05:08

Why suck it up? Just cos others do? Set a precedent? Fine to stay longer to do your stuff but not for an extra project. Even then if your work really outstrips your capacity raise it. Why in the uk are we all so keen to be martyrs.

I'm nhs and even at my work if they said "let's do an evening clinic" I'd expect to be paid/toil for it.

I once got time and a half toil for doing a course on a Saturday.

MoustacheofRonSwanson · 09/04/2015 05:15

Once worked somewhere that overtime was time and half, unless it was on a Sunday or you'd already done 12 hours OT that week, in which case it as double time. If it was a bank holiday, the OT rate was triple time, or double time and toil, whichever you preferred.

If you baulk at asking for double time, why not ask for single time plus toil?

Or ask them what their offer is, that's the best opening move in a negotiation.

ChipDip · 09/04/2015 06:49

Can you just not check with hr regarding this surely someone would have been in this situation before?

FishWithABicycle · 09/04/2015 07:03

Any organisation that has important tasks that need doing and only one person who can do them is badly managed. You could be hit by a bus on your way to work today, or go down with a sudden illness that takes you out of action for weeks, or win the lottery and go to the bahamas and never see them again. Good management never rests important functions on the shoulders of a single individual, and has systems in place to deal with the consequences of any one employee being out of action.

If your basic salary is c£52 they must value you and your brain, and should listen to you. Personally, I would agree to deal with this backlog in exchange for TOIL (personally I'd only expect 1:1 but you could get away with asking for 3 days of week day TOIL per 2 days of weekend sacrificed) but only on the condition that it was agreed that at least 2 other people (either existing staff or new) get trained up to do the work so that this situation never happens again.

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ljwales · 09/04/2015 07:06

That's a great idea, ilk just ask what are they offering. I really don't do this work for free thing that many people on mn advocate, as if we should all be happy to have a job.

Toil 1.5 would be ideal, I'll get to work from home and avoid the two hour commute so working sat and sun could save me almost 6 hours just in travel time. The company is actually fine with how they treat employees.

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hestialou · 09/04/2015 07:39

If they have asked last minute I would ask for the double rate as inconvenience.
I used to get 1.5 for over 7 hours, 2x for Saturday and 3x for Sundays....i never got asked to work Sundays lol!
I was on about the same as you then.

sunflower49 · 09/04/2015 12:26

I don't think it matters how much you are paid-that's your wage which must be a correct wage for what you do.

So if you're being asked to do more hours than that , you should get more. If you ask for double and they offer 1.5 I'd still see that as okay. I agree with the pp 'if you don't value your time, who will'?

DisappointedOne · 09/04/2015 14:15

Worth remembering that you don't get taxed on TOIL.......... ;)

DisappointedOne · 09/04/2015 14:21

sunflower49 - generally salaries are set based on the responsibilities of the post, not the number of hours. indeed, contracts are worded such that it may be usually x number of hours a week but that more may be required.

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