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To think if this officer gets off the U.S. will erupt (graphic content)

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99pokerface · 08/04/2015 08:15

In Ferguson their were still some saying well he did somthing wrong yadda yadda but not only did this officer shoot the guy in the back he then cuffed a dead body then plated evidence on the dead man

Crust I think Obama needs to make a executive call and place cameras on all officers

I hope ALL of the officers arrests are reviews

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3029597/Cop-charged-black-man-s-murder-opening-fire-eight-times-shooting-ran-away-saying-did-felt-threatened.html

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BigChocFrenzy · 09/04/2015 15:00

I believe filming by civilians is still legal both in the UK and the USA provided the police are in uniform, i.e. not undercover.
However, IIRC , in hoth countries police have attempted to stop both amateur and professional photographers by claiming the law is otherwise.

Police in both countries have lobbied to make photos and films illegal, claiming it is necessary for their safety or that it would hinder policing.

This case illustrates clearly why we must defend the right of the public to record actions of the police - it may be the only real proof of serious police violence.
In the USA, the Republicans are making serious attempts to reverse a whole range of previous rights affecting ordinary citizens, especially the poor and ethnic minorities.

FizzyNuts · 10/04/2015 06:08

I'm interested in the argument for making filming illegal, not sure how they could justify it by saying it would make the police less safe?! Madness.

It should absolutely be compulsory to make the police wear cameras, then perhaps we would see some reduction in these kinds of murders (what do you think the chances of of incriminating footage being 'lost' though? Hmm )

What on earth can be done to change this? It's 50 years since the civil rights movement and stories like this just make it clear how little things have moved on.

breward · 10/04/2015 11:18

We were in the usa last summer. We had a group of police officers having breakfast in our hotel as they were drafted into DC for the Africa heads of nation summit.

I asked them about their guns and how often they use them.

"Everyday" was their response.

Had they ever killed anyone with their gun?

"God, yeah. Don't you realise that DC was the murder capital of the U.S. ten years ago... It ain't no more"

" I've probably killed 8, but only one was a mistake. He pulled a comb which i thought was a gun" smirk

Then he showed me a video on his phone of a black teenager shooting his friend in a fast food store over an argument about a you tube video. The teenager killed his friend, did not spill a drop of his drink and stepped over the body and left the store.

The officer said that is what they are dealing with daily. The whole table laughed when I said UK police manage with tasers and pepper spray. They clearly thought I was bonkers.

Later that day we shared a picnic table at the zoo with an American family. He was a cop from Long Island. We had a similar conversation and he said "it is either them or us who will get killed, and it ain't going to be us." He said he felt sorry for the policeman who choked Eric Garner to death on the street in NY that week.

The whole time we were in the US we were treated like criminals/terrorists. Whether it was at imigration or trying to go into a food court, we were barked at and spoken to rudely. We are a white family. I wonder how they treat black or Muslim tourists?

Interesting conversations, and ones I'm glad I had eventhough they incensed me. We certainly were not made to feel welcome in the USA.

SconeRhymesWithGone · 10/04/2015 13:30

Speaking as an American, I am sorry you had such a bad experience in the US, breward. I was on one of the threads last year giving you help as you were planning your visit. I notice that you posted subsequently that you had a "fab time" so I am assuming you were treated well by some people at least.

lertgush · 10/04/2015 13:58

For those wondering if it is legal or illegal to film the police, this was clarified in my state recently in this case www.pressherald.com/2015/03/30/bar-harbor-couple-arrested-for-filming-portland-police-officer-win-lawsuit/. A couple who were filming a police officer were arrested.

The city has paid them $72,000 in compensation for unlawful arrest, has clarified that it is legal to film the police, and is retraining its police force to ensure this doesn't happen again.

lertgush · 10/04/2015 14:03

it's all very well saying that most americans aren't racist and that there are lots of lovely police officers but these lovely non racist people don't campaign against racist violence by the police. if they did, the prevalence of these cases would diminish

We are campaigning and demonstrating, I can assure you.

SconeRhymesWithGone · 10/04/2015 14:12

Also, the issue of whether or not filming is legal is a state law issue, so it can vary by state. There are also other laws on the books in several states that come into play. For example, it is common to have laws that say you can't secretly record someone (not just police), but if it is out in the open, with no expectation of privacy, then these laws would likely not apply.

SconeRhymesWithGone · 10/04/2015 14:15

Sorry, in above post, I meant to say "also a state law" issue. It's a federal issue (constitutional) as well.

breward · 10/04/2015 18:57

Hi sconesrhyme
Yes we did have a fab time and loved NY and Washington, but found anyone in authority rude and blunt. There was no warmth or feeling of welcome to our country. Our guides were always friendly and welcoming... However they are paid to be like that and are not on edge all the time waiting for the next terrorist attack.

It really did feel like a country on edge. I said this to the police we met and reminded them of the amount of terrorist attacks we have had in the UK over the years 7/7, IRA attacks etc. imagine how they would have dealt with Lee Rigby's killers. They would have taken out half the civilian population of Greenwich.

Glad US citizens are demonstrating. You deserve better from your police.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/04/2015 22:56

We may have a right to film, but particularly in the USA, if the police notice you filming it could be scary, even dangerous. Being proved right posthumously, or after days in a nightmare jail - compensation can't undo that kind of harm.

Returning to the OP's question: if that cop gets off lightly, the USA probably should erupt, but in the form of peaceful mass marches, like in the Civil Rights era.
Sadly, outside the African American community, not enough people care sufficiently for this to happen.

thenumberseven · 12/04/2015 08:02

On Thursday there was another instance of American police brutality
In this case the man(white)had led them a merry chase, first by car then by stolen horse. The incident was filmed from a helicopter.
Police can be seen tasering the man which fair enough but then the first two policemen start hitting and kicking him while on the ground. What I find shocking is that other officers then join them in bashing him up. At one stage there's eleven officers hitting the man on the ground. Totally unneccessary

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