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To lie about DD's age to get her in free?

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Kasterborous · 25/03/2015 14:56

I'm prepared to be told I was being unreasonable. We took DD who turned three 24 days ago to our local Wildlife park today. Under three they get in free, over three it's £10.00 which seems a lot so we said she was two. I know it was dishonest and next time we will pay for her.

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Caboodle · 27/03/2015 13:30

Coughs...er...I did answer that question...before you asked it actually (how good is that?)

Read upthread - I clearly stated DC2 had a 'theme park' age and his actual age. He is a well adjusted child and I sleep at night.

ragged · 27/03/2015 13:52

My entertainment budget isn't going to grow; I'll end up spending same for entry costs at that venue whether we go twice a decade paying full price or 3 times in a decade with some 'casual dishonesty' about some ages. They will get more money out of us, come to think of it, if we fib so that we can go more often. There are probably people at Disneyland who have worked all this out.

Kasterborous · 27/03/2015 16:28

Yes we should have paid for her, the fact that she is only just three doesn't count. We paid £30.00 for me and DH and I know we did wrong and it's no excuse but they got £30.00 more than if we hadn't visited at all. Yes I know that's not the point. I doubt we will go again as its an expensive day out.

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babybythesea · 27/03/2015 16:42

Those people who say 'if you charge less more people will go so you'll make as much' - well, not necessarily. If it were that simple many places would no doubt be cheaper.

But it isn’t that simple. It can vary hugely depending on where you are and what your visitor profile is. Do you have a huge local catchment area (captive static audience who may visit repeatedly) or is it largely tourists that visit (passing, one-off trade)? Do you tend to get more families, or couples, or do you get a relatively high proportion of pensioners? If it’s tourists that visit, how long do they tend to stay – if you are a long weekend type area then visitors are unlikely to visit more than once however many offers you put in place. If you have loads of locals visiting then maybe offers are more worthwhile.

We also ran surveys, not only among visitors to us, but also random people stopped, for example, at the nearby airport – were they planning to visit? If not, why not? Is price a factor in that? How long were they staying and how many times might they visit? As well as canvassing locals out on the streets with similar questions. And you have to build in other factors – are you perceived as a wet weather venue? If not, there’s going to be a huge proportion of the year when you don’t have many people in because they want to be indoors, not outdoors. Lowering your prices will have no effect at all on visitor numbers in this scenario, but the money has to be made up elsewhere in the year. Do you invest in changing things regularly – costs money, but people may come back more, but if they don’t, then you’ve lost money but if things are too static then they may not come anyway.

You use this information to help set prices (alongside knowing your running costs) – saying ‘lower your prices and more people will visit’ doesn’t always hold true and a zoo would need to be mindful of this. Zoos research this stuff – it’s not done on a whim.

KidLorneRoll · 27/03/2015 16:57

If you can't afford something, or think something is too expensive, you don't get to just not pay and do it anyway. Have some fucking common decency.

babybythesea · 27/03/2015 17:02

Interestingly, many people say (again in surveys) that they go to visit zoos because of the children, because the children enjoy it. ‘It’s a safe place for them to toddle round with no cars’. ‘They like the animals’. ‘We always visit the playground because they have fun there’.

So on the one hand, even very young children are perceived as enjoying it, and the benefits of it being a safe environment are stressed, but then asked to pay for this people say ‘No, they’re too young to enjoy it’. So which is it?
It’s not the same as soft play. You, as an adult, are not there to enjoy it and to use the facilities but to supervise your child, so maybe a child fee plus a lower supervisor fee is better.
A zoo – well, you might be there for your child but you are still getting the experience too – you get to see the animals same as anyone else. Hear the talks, touch the ones brought out for handling sessions. And your kid sees them, and I’ll bet if there’s, say, a snake out to be touched you encourage kids to get in there and see what it feels like. So you pay. I still don’t get why people think there’s something obscene in paying for their child to have a fun day out somewhere, use the playground, use the facilities and see everything that everyone else gets to see.

lilasskicker · 27/03/2015 17:11

It is illegal to knowingly defraud them of the entrance fee - fraud...you know, a crime, not just "remotely immoral" - and anyone talking about planning to do it in the future is committing conspiracy to defraud.

I don't do it either - people who do just make the price higher for everybody else... and the distantly remote possibility of ending up with a criminal record over something so petty (considering I would also lose my job ) does stop me.

and I don't lie about it either. What the heck gives people the right to accuse others of lying, just because they actually WANT to be honest and upstanding citizens who set a good example to their children.

OMG that was truly the funniest thing I have ever read!

Cringeworthy on so many levels. I especially loved the criminal record part.

Downtheroadfirstonleft · 27/03/2015 17:22

Who doesn't do that?

Err, anyone whose honest....

tarashill · 27/03/2015 17:36

Cringeworthy on so many levels. I especially loved the criminal record part.
I think the OP should present herself at the police station asap. It's a very serious matter.

FirstWeTakeManhattan · 27/03/2015 17:43

I do very much like the air of oooh aren't we maverick, laidback, rogues. Look at this lot with their sticks up their arses. God we're cool. You aren't sticking it to da man. You're just not giving your fiver to a zoo

This ^

OMG that was truly the funniest thing I have ever read!

OMG! Maybe read some other stuff, expand those comedic horizons even more?

reni1 · 27/03/2015 17:50

I have never lied about ages, and I have found we often still get in free, she looks younger than she is and attendants like the honesty. She'd probably pipe up herself to reveal age anyway. I have no problem with others doing it, it only works for about a year or so before it becomes a blatantly obvious lie.

SomewhereIBelong · 27/03/2015 17:50

I'm still here... thank you so much for once more taking the piss out of my integrity.... glad my honesty is so amusing.

it is petty, but it IS a crime... saying everyone does it does not make it right,

making fun of people who care about not breaking the law is not big or clever, thankfully I'm old enough and confident enough to stand up for myself, and to not give a monkey's.

escondida · 27/03/2015 18:10

OP paid £30 to take a 3yo to the zoo instead of £40. Ouch. I rather doubt it's the same £40 day out she & her DH would have chosen if they didn't have a 3yo in tow.

ForeverLostt · 27/03/2015 18:14

glad my honesty is so amusing

I don't think it's the honesty that people find amusing (well I don't anyway)

I think it's just your suggestion that you could get a criminal record for it and lose your job.

It is a crime. But if the park believed you were lying they would just refuse you entry. Criminal record? No.

But if can find a case that disproves what I said I'd enjoy because proved to be wrong.

RandomNPC · 27/03/2015 18:19

It is illegal to knowingly defraud them of the entrance fee - fraud...you know, a crime, not just "remotely immoral" - and anyone talking about planning to do it in the future is committing conspiracy to defraud.

I don't do it either - people who do just make the price higher for everybody else... and the distantly remote possibility of ending up with a criminal record over something so petty (considering I would also lose my job ) does stop me.

This truly is the thread that keeps on giving

MrsItsNoworNotatAll · 27/03/2015 18:31

Great thread Kaser Grin

It is indeed hilarious.

What do all you honest folk what? All us non payers rounded up and thrown in jail?

ForeverLostt · 27/03/2015 18:33

people who do just make the price higher for everybody else..

Do they though?

It's not like shoplifting where you can measure how much profit was lost through theft/breakage and what you would need to correct the deficit.

Surely the park are aware that people do this and they can chose to make their policy more strict (or remove it completely)

BloodyDogHairs · 27/03/2015 18:37

I'm just surprised this thread hasn't turned into a thread about how cruel zoo's are, especially since if anyone mentions going to Seaworld all the "black fish" posters jump on that.

ForeverLostt · 27/03/2015 18:42

especially since if anyone mentions going to Seaworld all the "black fish" posters jump on that.

Sorry but I cannot stand the hypocrisy of blackfish posters. Most of whom wouldn't even have gone to SeaWorld regardless.

Let's protest how cruel it is but stay in support of slaughter houses.

SanityClause · 27/03/2015 18:45

I'm happy with my choice. I don't lie or fraud people. This is the right choice for me. It allows me to sleep well at night.

This.

I don't know why the fraudsters are getting so het up defending their choices; if you're truly happy with it, knock yourselves out. No need to defend it to randommers on the Internet.

MrsItsNoworNotatAll · 27/03/2015 19:02

Fraudsters, Scammers, thieves, mavericks, twatty. Just some of the labels being used to describe posters who haven't paid.

I think it's the honest, as they call themselves, folk that are getting het up really.

I haven't defended myself. What would be the point? To be told I'm wrong and I'm commiting a crime yada yada yada.

Oh and I'm no nearer to shoplifting either

Legwarmersforboys · 27/03/2015 19:09

Days out are so expensive I'm finding that we're doing less & less stuff

MrsItsNoworNotatAll · 27/03/2015 19:21

You're right Legwarmers there is even less chance of me not paying for one of mine as we don't go out as much as we did.

babybythesea · 27/03/2015 19:23

I'm a bit depressed by it all, actually.

I'll repeat an earlier post: yes, it is reflected in higher prices because you work out what you need to run the place, look at the number of paying visitors and adjust accordingly. Lower numbers of paying visitors mean higher costs because your running costs don't change. Animals don't eat less because you had fewer visitors. And there was an outlay - food, medication, heating bills. It's just the visitor walks away with an experience rather than a physical thing. You can't measure your loss exactly but you can compare income vs outgoings. If one doesn't match the other, put prices up.

What is most depressing is that I used to organise stuff for under fives to do at our zoo. Because, you know, they were paying and they deserve no less. Activities which took time to plan, set up, run and clear away. When I could have been doing something else. And I used to argue that these things ought to be either free or a really nominal fee to cover costs if I'd had to buy extra things in, because after paying an entrance fee it was not right to ask for loads more money. Because I thought it was important to engage with these kids and make sure we were a place they wanted to come and visit. Think I may have been taken for a mug because it seems a good proportion may not have been paying guests at all, so we would have been spending money on them doing things rather than getting money for the charity.

And in the meantime, the place was struggling to stay afloat and making my mates redundant.

It's a bit gutting that I've laid out argument after argument about the impact on the organisations only to find people glibly saying things like 'everyone does it' and 'you're just being sanctimonious' and 'oh it won't have any effect'. And making sweeping statements about what zoos should do, or not do, without having any understanding of the processes behind it.

babybythesea · 27/03/2015 19:33

Mrs - I still don't see why it is so wildly different. Someone paid for something (stock in a shop, food etc for animals). You decided you wanted it (a product or an experience). There is a cost associated.
In a shop, you don't buy three things for yourself but help yourself to a little something extra for your child because it's only small and they are too young to appreciate it but you want it for them. So why do that when going to an attraction? It's not a physical thing you take home but you have bought something. The chance to go somewhere and see or do something different.

Read my posts. It has an effect. Prices will be that bit higher for everyone else because a zoo, certainly, has costs they have committed to which have to be covered. Fewer paying visitors mean those who do pay need to pay more to make it all match up.