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Is anybody else as worried as I am about ISIS

64 replies

Fatlapdancer · 06/03/2015 08:07

I don't really know the first thing about the whole situation but they seem to be fairly prolific in the Middle East now. What do you think?

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Wannabestepfordwife · 06/03/2015 12:28

Yanbu but I find the whole ME situation scary especially with all the instability in Yemen, the possible outcomes of Lebanon destabilising and Nethanyahu and his anti-Iran campaign.

If you were wanting to read up on IS Patrick Cockburn and Robert Fisk have written some fantastic articles for the independent. The FT and RT have run some really good overview pieces.

Al Jazeera's website has some brilliant coverage and they also cover Boko Haram who are just as terrifying

scatteroflight · 06/03/2015 13:40

OP I am far more concerned by the people living in the UK who support ISIS - a recent BBC poll showed 11% of British Muslims have sympathy for them and this is no doubt an underestimate of the true figure.

That there are many hundreds of thousands of people already within our borders who want to change the direction of our country and would like to assert their own laws over British laws is truly disturbing.

MangosMangosMangos · 06/03/2015 14:06

I do worry that while we are worrying about ISIS, Russia will become a real threat and a proper worry.

Rhymerocket · 06/03/2015 14:13

I'm with you Mango!

mimishimmi · 06/03/2015 14:15

I'm more concerned about who is possibly funding them and selling them arms.... a lot of money is to be made playing both sides.

Fatlapdancer · 06/03/2015 15:06

Wow thanks countess hoping to educate myself a bit more what a reaction!!

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CoshNCuddle · 06/03/2015 15:22

A very comprehensive article about ISIS : www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

26Point2Miles · 06/03/2015 16:15

thanks for starting this thread dancer

we all might learn something,links are usualy very forthcoming on MN!

BeyondRepair · 06/03/2015 16:20

yes it terrifies me on all aspects and my heart aches for the women and children caught in this vileness. how could anyone want to live in this sort of society? hands being lobbed off, gay people thrown from roofs, violence, blood shed and misery

Horseradishes · 06/03/2015 18:12

I'm terrified of them too, including the sympathisers in the UK who seem to include well educated Muslims so where does it end? I think the world is a worrying place, with isis and Russia....

countessmarkyabitch · 06/03/2015 18:46

I can see that but how much are you going to learn from this thread? Not a lot. Try a newspaper, or a documentary. I mean, aibu to be really worried about this thing I haven't learned the first thing about....how worried can you be?

ARoomWithoutAView · 06/03/2015 19:12

I believe ISIS to be fundamentally different to the ideological extremist terrorism we have seen before. It does not manifest itself wholly in a physical army which one can join, setting physical borders to take or defend. It does not recruit, in the traditional sense.

It does not want borders, or to say it is stronger than its enemies. ISIS just "is". The ISIS concept of an "Islamic State" is a notional one - not a country but the globe.

It creates a 'Facebook' for a Jihadist cause and people sign up to its message and to its ideologies, through its slick social media and internet message. Long before they make the physical connection those that turn to ISIS are persuaded, groomed. ISIS does not go out to find. Its army finds it.

The pioneers were Al-Qaida, which concept evolved into ISIS, which will evolve into something else. Whatever they become, is very dangerous in my opinion and it continues to grow.

We would be wise not to assume that ISIS will be defeated in the traditional sense. Which means that traditional ways of delaying with terrorism won't work. In my opinion.

Bakeoffcake · 06/03/2015 19:16

I agree with others, it's Russia who are a bigger threat. They are getting away with allsorts and it worries me greatly.

Rhymerocket · 06/03/2015 19:56

On Aug. 17, Russian President Vladimir V. Putin announced that a dozen missile-carrying strategic bombers, accompanied by support and tanker planes, will be permanently airborne. Their mission: to protect Russian territory. From whom?

Recently they has fighter Jets in Uk air space with out permission and uk fighter jets were scrambled to escort them from our air space. All of this is happening under the radar while we worry about Isis! I'm very worried about the Russia Syria conflict.

ARoomWithoutAView · 06/03/2015 20:15

I don't agree that the Russia threat is bigger. I really don't.

Two Hares decided to have a race. They had been battling each other for years, 70 years or so. No one was stronger, they had the same power. They could cancel each other out, and they knew it. So they postured and posed against each other to keep their folks back in their homelands happy. And over the years a lot of their folks had travelled, worked and lived in each others homelands and grew accustomed to each other. Meanwhile, whilst everybody was looking at the Hares, the Tortoise who nobody understood, won the race.

The Tortoise always knew that.

There are some interesting noises coming out of the US administration that are starting to recognise that.

ARoomWithoutAView · 06/03/2015 20:19

Three fifteen year old girls did not travel across the iron curtain because of something they read in the paper.

Three fifteen year old girls did not travel to the caves in Tora Bora because of something Osama said.

Three fifteen year old girls travelled to join ISIS. Its very different.

morethanpotatoprints · 06/03/2015 20:21

diesel

I agree, I too think we are being spoon fed terrorism. it's no different to everything else we are being fed through news reports and have been for many years.

PigletJohn · 06/03/2015 20:22

"in Uk air space with out permission "

No, I believe it was in international space, but close enough to UK territory for our jets to go up and show the flag.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31530840

It is a probing game, where they show what a big powerful country they are, and we show that we have some radar and some fighters. It has been said that the bomber carried a nuclear missile capable of destroying one of our Trident submarines.

Russia denies that one of their nuclear submarines was in Swedish waters recently.

Mr Putin, sadly, is busy recreating the Cold War and the Soviet Union.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31669195

Middlerose · 06/03/2015 20:56

Why are people being so rude to the OP? He/She wants information, give him/her it. If you don't have anything further to add, then don't reply!

OP, I live in the Middle East. It is really not scary out here. People aren't worried about ISIS at all, which makes me think it might be the media hyping things up...

countessmarkyabitch · 06/03/2015 22:35

I'm not being rude. OP does need information, but she's not going to get any useful info here.
How on earth is it rude to suggest that if there is something you are worried about, that you don't know anything about, you might want to go to a reputable source and learn at least the basic info before having a discussion about it?
It's just very basic common sense.

funnyossity · 07/03/2015 09:58

Middlerose, what is on the news agenda in your area?

ISIS do seem to have the news channels hypnotised on them at the moment.

26Point2Miles · 07/03/2015 11:10

Lol which 'reputable source'?

She's come here to talk it over, MN links are usually very useful. Up to her where she posts for info!

BeyondRepair · 07/03/2015 11:12

I'm not being rude. OP does need information, but she's not going to get any useful info here. Grin

There is loads of useful info on here from posters, posters who post useful info that is....

CumberCookie · 07/03/2015 11:22

I am worried but I refuse to let the terrorist scare me, that's what they want afterall. I'll live my life not thinking about it.

base9 · 07/03/2015 11:27

North Korea has nuclear weapons. Russia is on an aggressive rampage in the Ukraine. Pakistan and India regularly threaten to start shooting each other and they both have nuclear weapons. Isis is terrorising Syrians, Iraqis and Pakistanis. Yeah, it is a worry and one of many serious ones going on at the moment.