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To think compulsory 'gratuities' on cruises should be banned?

43 replies

HormonalHeap · 04/03/2015 19:04

I was under the impression gratuities should be just that- not to push up profits by effectively paying part of the crew's salary for them. Just seen an advert from cruise company offering "up to $300 gratuities" as an incentive to book. Makes my blood boil.

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Salmotrutta · 04/03/2015 19:14

Gosh yes, I lie awake at night worrying about this...

Grin

I thought gratuities meant "free" too.

Salmotrutta · 04/03/2015 19:16

Oops! Blush

For some reason I mixed gratuity with "gratis".

Probably wrong about that too!

piggychops · 04/03/2015 19:18

Once you are on the ship, you can visit customer services and request they be removed from your bill. Then you can give cash directly to your room attendant and waiters.
It's a double edged sword though as the backroom staff don't benefit. Not really sure what the answer is though...

Staywithme · 04/03/2015 19:18

Lol lmao giggle Grin

Nothing to add.

HormonalHeap · 04/03/2015 19:19

Can't say I lie awake worrying but annoyed me to have to pay last time when some of the crew were useless

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NoArmaniNoPunani · 04/03/2015 19:22

They earn fuck all. If you can afford a cruise you can afford the tips.

Royalsighness · 04/03/2015 19:22

That's mad. I wouldn't be paying anything I didn't want to pay!

EveBoswell · 04/03/2015 19:28

NoArmaniNoPunani They might not earn much but they get all their meals, uniform clothes, free electric lighting. Apart possibly from souvenirs what do they spend their money on while aboard?

I know a woman who worked for a couple of years on a cruise ship in the West Indies and received about $200 per week - in cash - in tips on top of her pay. That's not too bad, is it?

MagicMojito · 04/03/2015 19:36

Gratuity should be given as a voluntary reward for good service. Not topup poor wages.

Bair · 04/03/2015 19:43

'Apart possibly from souvenirs what do they spend their money on while aboard?'

Maybe a family to support at home? Free electric at work wouldn't have me chomping at the bit to take a low wage to be honest.

FizzyGood · 04/03/2015 19:49

Yep, they send it home to their families. Who they don't see for up to ten months at a time. So that they can put a chocolate on your pillow.

Just pay the tip!

HormonalHeap · 04/03/2015 19:57

NoArmani and FizzyGood you're missing the point.. they SHOULD be paid enough. No problem here giving tips- on top of a fair wage, as a tip, not part of their wages

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ajandjjmum · 04/03/2015 20:02

You can opt out of paying them, and just tip anyone you want to directly.

NoArmaniNoPunani · 04/03/2015 20:04

But that's not how tipping works in other countries. In the USA service workers are taxed on expected tips. So if you don't tip they really lose out. If you don't like it, don't go on cruises, it's hardly life or death.

HormonalHeap · 04/03/2015 20:04

Didn't think you could opt out. My mistake then!

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Leeds2 · 04/03/2015 20:05

I am fairly sure you can opt out of the automatic tipping if you want to. Presumably applies to the people who service your room, but I would guess not to drinks orders in the bar.

Some people get unduly stressed about who/how much they should be tipping, so prefer that it is done automatically.

expatinscotland · 04/03/2015 20:08

My heart bleeds. Hmm

IreneA78 · 04/03/2015 20:16

surely its a case of six and two threes. If they paid wages then they would just have to put up cruise prices and you would end up paying it anyway.

HormonalHeap · 04/03/2015 20:23

What's with your heart bleeding expatinscotland?

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KatoPotato · 04/03/2015 20:25

Next time I'm feeling a bit despondent about work I'm going to think of the free electricity and Internet!

Sirzy · 04/03/2015 20:25

You don't have to pay, go to reception and sign a simple form to say you don't wish to include it, or to change to an amount you wish to give. Easy.

HormonalHeap · 04/03/2015 20:27

Maybe true Itene. Thanks and rant overSmile

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ClockwiseCat · 04/03/2015 20:28

Ignore the twattish responses OP. YANBU. It's an absolute pain and we tend to avoid American companies who are the worst offenders. With P&O etc. you can just tip staff directly (cabin staff, your waiters) and then there is usually a generic tip box for the back staff in the kitchen etc.

Ilovefluffysheep · 04/03/2015 20:31

Its hard graft working on a cruise ship. Seriously, the restaurant staff and housekeeping staff work ridiculous amounts of hours (14-18 a day), with no days off. They can work for months at a time - last cruise I went on, our server was working 6 months on, with 2 months off. She was onboard over Christmas (we cruised August) missing her children.

It tends to be workers from (I'm not sure what is the most politically correct way of saying this, so apologies if this offends, its really not meant to) less developed countries. There were an awful lot of staff from the Phillipines on our cruise for example. They work these jobs because they can't get anything like that in their own country, so send all their money, but sacrifice an awful lot to do that. Our server uses the money she earns to put her children through school.

Those in tipped positions are given a ridiculous salary, something like $50 per month. Everything else they make is based on receiving tips. The cruise companies get away with this because most of them register the ships in places like the Bahamas, so they're not subject to things like paying their staff minimum wage.

Yes its wrong, but the cruise companies are never going to change, as they would have to put their prices up and don't want to do that. So those people who remove their tips to "make a stand" aren't doing anything except ripping off the staff who have worked their nuts off all week. I don't agree with it, and am not a big fan of tipping, hate the tipping culture in the USA for example. However, after going on four cruises, seeing just how hard the staff work and never complain, and also doing my own research about it, I would never drop the tips unless something had gone badly wrong (I did reduce the tip of a server on my first cruise, as he was awful, but I left feedback as to why). If I can afford to go on a cruise, I can afford to pay $12 in tips per day, which is what the cruise line I go on charges.

LittleBearPad · 04/03/2015 20:34

Free electric lighting! They're living the dream, aren't they