To think that the BBC don't need to put up apologists for terrorists

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'Jihadi John', face of the violent murder of various aid worker, has been named as Mohammed Emwazi.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31637090

The BBC unquestioningly quote an 'Asim Qureshi' saying that he's a lovely guy, and before he was "harassed" by MI5, starting around 2009, when he finished university and attempted to fly to Tanzania (to go and pursue jihad in Somalia - MI5, or to go safari - he claims), he was a "beautiful young man".

In fact, it seems fairly clearly that he had extensive links with terrorist sympathisers in London.

And moreover, Asim Qureshi, as 30 seconds on Google would show, is a jihadist himself, here in 2009:

Not exactly your regular 'human rights activisit'.

It really isn't like a serial killer.

He has his pals who feed into a particular world view. Serial killers less so.

So I agree with you he's not like a psychopath(ic serial killer).

Look of MI5 were shown as not knowing this murdering bastard they would be criticised by the media for not knowing what's going on.

They did know him and they harassed him! They tried to turn him but couldn't stop him skulking away to Syria.

So they are damned if they do and damned if they don't!

It's an insult to the families to allow anyone to refer to him in tv as a gentle kind man.

He brutally murdered real kind and gentle men who simply went out to help the Syrian people.

Channel 4 should be ashamed.

He was only on MI5 radar after being kicked out of Africa for trying to join jihadists groups over there, so no there isn't any nuance in reasons relating to MI5, they picked him up because they was concerned, they proved him correct.

As for CAGE they jumped on the opportunity, they shouldn't have given them air time. They have always been involved with evil people, they championed Anwar al-Awlaki, the cleric who radicalised the underpants bomber, 1/2 of 9/11, Fort Hood shooter etc.

And Britain spent far to many years accommodating and understanding terrorists from the finsbury park mosque a decade ago. Look where that led us.

Less understanding and more robust action is needed. We need to stand up and fight for what is right not what is easy.
The security services deserves the full support of our country and government or we will rue the day we danced around these fuckers who pretend to be Muslims.

They are not.

*he proved them correct

The BBC does not have the "right and responsibility" to give air time to all views. Should we also put people television who claim the earth is flat?

In fact, CAGE have actually harmed the Muslim community as far as I can tell by being such damn apologists.

There was a woman on Radio 4 the other night claiming the three girls who went off to Syria recently went because they did not have the freedom of expression to criticise UK foreign policy in the UK. She actually made a free expression argument. Because the girls will have lots of that over in Syria.

In a way foreign policy intervention, and organizations such as mi5 probably are (unintentionally) influencing certain people in their hatred of the west. But whether they are aren't isn't the point here, and is far too simplistic a way of looking at it. Even if you allow someone to say that the mi5 have a responsibility, that's not to condone what he did!

Also I disagree that people aren't interested in what motivates other murderer's. The media are obsessed with it! Did he have a bad childhood, was he molestated, or abused etc? You only have to look at cases like Venables and Thompson to see that.

I find it interesting that you mention the social and political causes but not the religious causes. Why are people avoiding the elephant in the room?

Call me a cynic but I am calling BS on the claim that MI5 just decided to randomly harass some young men going on a graduation safari trip to Somalia to look at wildlife.

I was responding to the op, not having a general discussion about radicalization. Of course religion plays a part, its hardly a secret that Isis are Muslim!

I seriously doubt Mi5 has the resources to randomly single out (sticking a pin in the phone book perhaps?) and harass innocent people to the extent that they have no other choice but become extremist murderers.

My brother is a Muslim man who travels in the Middle East and Africa. Oddly enough has never appeared on the Mi5 radar.......because he's not a terrorist.

I wasn't saying they did harasses innocent men. That completely misses my point, the acquaintance obviously feels they played a role in this case and whether he's right or wrong I don't see why posters object to that opinion being aired. Its anacedotal evidence, a point, an opinion, no ones saying the whole thing is entirely mi5s fault, and even if they were it would be an opinion, not an accepted fact.

My husband used to get detained in the United States every time he went through (which was about five times a year due to work) due to an error in the system. He would be detained for hours. Surprisingly, he didn't move to Syria and start beheading American aid workers and journalists.

Well the "acquaintance" and indeed the woman on the radio the other night, pointed their fingers solely at the failings of the United Kingdom government and society that harasses and alienates Muslim citizens. If anything is simplistic thinking, it is that.

Yeah, those journalists, providing balance and nuance to a segment on terrorism.
Bastards, hey?

You're making generalizing & simplistic arguments such as "my husband never..", then accusing others using the same logic of being too simplistic! We need to stop the black and white thinking full stop really, you can't lay the blame solely at the hands of any singular ideology or institution, but it is helpful to consider how a multitude of interconnected factors work simultaneously to give rise to radicalization.

countess. No. No one called journalists bastards did they?

I disagree we thankfully have moved on up trying to understand what leads people to act in a certain way and by doing this we have started to understand humans much better if we do not try to what changes are made

many may not want to try to understand and put people in good or bad boxes but those who are in a position to make changes, stop, support, guide whatever their role by them not trying to understand they will have very little hope of stopping others

look at it from the other side those that want to preach hate want to create disorder understand who they are most easily influenced and manipulated

Oh here is the piece with the representative from CAGE:

Totally agree about interconnected factors but the person from CAGE and elsewhere are pointing their fingers solely at the UK govt.

I also don't think all views should have equal weight. And, as I said, I think the person from CAGE actually does more harm than good to the people he is supposedly trying to speak in the interests of.

Not sure what the point was about me generalising ("being too simplistic") about my husband. I didn't use the phrase "my husband never." I think you are referring to the other poster. Confusing nonetheless.

Yes Op I saw that guy speaking and I was gobsmacked at his twisted logic and barefaced lies. I wish I'd seen Kay Burley lay into him.

I didn't understand your post at all freudianslip - can you repost as I think there were lots of good points in there.

And on the same day Prince Charles sits down and chats to the King of Japan, or Emperor of Japan, a person whose family was directly responsible for the beheading of many British Prisoners of war and the deaths of thousands more.
Lets condemn all murder, not just this one man's acts.

Cage are an "interesting" lobby group - not sure they should get any air time, to be honest

Ah, those actions were condemned at the time and the UK and the US has gone through huge reconciliation processes with Japan and Japan has apologised for its horrific actions during WW2. It is only right that we forgive and try to move forward. Completely different situation.

Moved on in trying .... Not moved on up

Takes too long to type rest on phone