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AIBU to think that if you ask for your referees not to be contacted....

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1hamwich4 · 18/02/2015 19:39

.....then an employer shouldn't just ignore that and ask them for a reference for you?

Or is it just me? Why bother having the question on your application form if you're just going to ignore the answer?

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Chertsey · 18/02/2015 21:06

IMO almost everything to do with safeguarding is to do with covering backs, not actually protecting children, but this is the official line:

"Wherever possible references should be obtained prior to the interview so that any issues of concern raised by the reference can be explored further with the referee and taken up with the candidate during interview.

References should contain objective, verifiable information and in order to achieve this, a reference pro-forma with questions relating to the candidate’s suitability to work with children and young people should be provided.

References should include:

-length of time the person has known the applicant and in what capacity;
post held with dates , salary and reasons for leaving;
-ability and suitability to work with children and young people;
skills, strengths and weaknesses and how these have been demonstrated;
any current disciplinary investigation and/or sanction;
-any allegations and/or disciplinary investigations relating to the safety or welfare of children and young people and the outcome of these (including where any sanction has expired);
-details of any criminal convictions, cautions or bind-overs;
sickness record;
-if the referee would re-employ the applicant and, if not details of why; and
verification of the identity of the referee.

The referee should be asked to confirm whether the applicant has been the subject of any disciplinary sanctions and whether the applicant has had any allegations made against him/her or concerns raised which relate to either the safety or welfare of children and young people or about the applicant’s behaviour towards children or young people. Details about the outcome of any concerns or allegations should be sought."

Almost no-one actually provides all this information in a reference response and many LA's/schools interpret "wherever possible" to mean "always"

1hamwich4 · 18/02/2015 22:55

I too was pondering that exact question, fascicle.

And why on earth would salary be relevant in the question of safeguarding???

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fredfredgeorgejnr · 18/02/2015 23:01

Complain to the Data Protection Officer, they are processing your highly personal details in direct violation of your requests, of course this may well be due to an incorrect form, but that's irrelevant, they need to fix the form, not ignore it.

changeychangechangeychange · 18/02/2015 23:01

Too that's also safeguarding, one reference has to be current employer and has to be the head giving the reference. Clearly this needs to be being made much clearer on application forms though!

That isnt correct. It has to be the current employer. It doesnt have to be the Headteacher.

Tobyjugg · 19/02/2015 00:07

Chertsey Your list of stuff req'd on a reference is interesting. My employers will only give references on our own standard form and have to be signed by HR. Line managers cannot give them and half the points on that list wouldn't be covered and no way would they answer the re-employment question.

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 19/02/2015 20:00

Finally, yes - my friend had checked and double-checked the form to make sure it didn't say that it had to be your current employer/HT, and it didn't.

cricketballs · 19/02/2015 20:06

I have never known a school not to contact current/previous HT whether or not they know you or not (they usually pass it down to the SLT member who does know you)

Marynary · 19/02/2015 21:23

That is annoying. In the past I have said that I would prefer them not to contact my current employer unless they wish to offer me the job and then "accidentally" didn't include my current employer details just to make sure they didn't "accidentally" contact them prior to interview. Obviously it could have meant I didn't get offered an interview but I decided that was preferable.

DuchessDisaster · 19/02/2015 22:19

I was recently asked for references for my employment over the past 3 years. As I am self-employed I gave the agencies I had worked through, I wasn't asked for personal references.
2 days ago I was informed that one agency said I had been working for them until 31st January. What a lot of... I corrected this misapprehension, but am now concerned that I will be misrepresented in other ways by the former agency, for example, they have me on their books, when I was clearly no longer working for them.
It is worrying, but more worrying for the agency, as I would sue.

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