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people that do an emergency stop when the lights change are dangerous and wrong

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magrate · 13/02/2015 09:02

I drive for about two hours everyday for my new job. Have to go through over 20 sets of lights. So many people think that as soon as the lights change you must stop. Aibu to expect people to still go though a second after they go red?

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laughingmyarseoff · 14/02/2015 10:03

Yes possibly poster magrate but she won't accept that, it's all on the other driver who performed a legal manoeuvre and ignoring that her DH would have been driving too close- given that they'd just had a baby and she descried herself as surprised it's easy to see her DH could have been distracted which is all it takes. But yet the other driver is still at fault.

Defending the indefensible doesn't come over well, especially when I'm sure many people have been smacked up the back by a 'surprised' driver.

Sallyingforth · 14/02/2015 15:13

What makes this worse (bloody woman's DH driving) is that we are now told they were temporary traffic lights, so presumably at roadworks.

Since he was apparently taking care of her post-op sensitivity, you'd think he would be approaching even more carefully than usual in case there was a rough surface or ramps ahead. So there really was no excuse for running into the car ahead when it stopped abruptly.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 14/02/2015 16:53

Laughing - I am not sure the other driver did perform a legal manoeuvre.

He had passed the stop board (which is the equivalent of the stop line at temporary traffic lights) on green, and then the lights went amber. At that point, he should have carried on. Once you have crossed the stop line, you carry on and complete the manoeuvre, even if the lights turn amber.

The other options open to him were either to stop where he was, possibly causing an obstruction or a partial obstruction, or to stop and reverse back to the stop board. Neither of these sound like sensible options, or ones that the Highway Code would endorse. You wouldn't do that at a set of permanent lights, so I can't see that it would be OK to do so at a temporary set.

However, that does not give the driver behind him an excuse to do something stupid himself.

Bumbiscuits · 14/02/2015 21:36

As I said up thread, if someone has a choice between braking and avoiding an accident or having a collision, it is never, NEVER, the right thing to go ahead and have the collision, ever.

TBW's man is not only a bad driver, he's a bullshitter too.

woodhill · 14/02/2015 21:45

when I am driving I amazed at people jumping tge lights when it is red, selfish and dangerous. I would rather stop, aren't there cameras in some lights like speed cameras.

madasa · 15/02/2015 08:46

There is a set of lights near why I live that has a speed camera and a jump the lights camera....double whammy

maddening · 15/02/2015 09:13

Bloody woman - so what if the car in front had more vulnerable people in? or they had stopped in time to avoid hitting a child - your h would have shunted their car in to the child - he is not driving a bumper car.

laughingmyarseoff · 15/02/2015 09:31

But it is a legal manoeuvre, whatever the reasoning and however knobby you may be for doing it it is still a legal manoeuvre and the only guidance is how to do it if you-the driver- feel the need to. The other driver felt the need to. Luckily it was just for lights but since pedestrians often run across the road trying to 'beat lights' it could have easily been that too.

The fact is the man behind should have braked himself which he didn't even attempt to do because he was tired and distracted and should not have been driving. The fact that TBW can defend her DH doing that and say the other driver is at fault is false- the police, the insurance and if the ES had been because someone had run out and been in front they too, would disagree. As a good driver, you have to prepare for all hazards including possible ES with no apparent reason or no reason we can see and yes sometimes we error because of sickness, tiredness, loss of concentration...but we hold our hands up and think 'shit, near miss' and drive better ourselves. We don't try to twist and turn and backtrack instead of understanding the simple fact that driving should have been better or not done at all that day and done by someone else.

From what it sounds like both were rush the lights, one braked and one didn't. Though the ES can't have been that much of one and neither could either drivers speed given they only bumped or 'kissed' when one ES and one didn't brake. I've been hit while going 20mph and it's still a big bump, so they must have been going very slow for no damage and no pain to someone recovering an C-section.

But I'm going to leave it now because I, along with others (and yourself) have tried to explain why there is fault and instead excuses and denial have been made and honestly you can't reason with people then. I just have to hope they don't drive around my area.

PigletJohn · 15/02/2015 10:02

if a driver brakes sharply, unexpectedly and for no reason, they may be at fault.

However, if approaching traffic lights, it should not be "unexpected" that they might change to amber or red.

If they do change to amber or red, it is not "for no reason"

The idea that a driver might choose to crash rather than brake, is of course absurd.

Sallyingforth · 15/02/2015 11:30

if a driver brakes sharply, unexpectedly and for no reason, they may be at fault.
It would certainly be the wrong thing to do, but they are in no way at fault for someone following too closely behind.

And I must ask, when would a driver ever do that for no reason? There will always be a reason for a sudden stop, and the driver following behind can never know what the driver in front might see or think that could induce a sudden stop. That's why we always leave a safe stopping distance - don't we?

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 15/02/2015 12:07

I was thinking about this yesterday, when dh and I were out in the car. I think that, when I am driving, I am aware of traffic lights in the distance, and on a subconscious level, I notice how long they have been red or green, on the basis that, the longer they have been that colour, the more likely they are to change. I suspect most drivers do the same.

It is particularly important when you are approaching a green light that is, as a previous poster called it, 'stale' - ie. it's been green for some time and is therefore likely to change to amber. In that situation, I come off the accelerator so the car starts to slow down, and I am ready to decelerate further and stop if it goes amber. And the amount I decelerate is dictated by traffic conditions and whatever's going on in my car - if I've got the dogs in the boot, I tend to drive a bit more gently, so as not to throw them round, and I would decelerate a bit more coming up to some traffic lights that I thought were due to go amber, in order to avoid a sudden stop that might make them uncomfortable.

TBW's dh had an even better reason to want to drive gently - I think he was very sensible to do so - but in that case, he should have been hyper-aware of lights that might be about to change, and he should have left a bigger braking distance between himself and the car in front, coming up to the lights, so he would have enough time to stop without sudden braking if the car in front did an emergency stop.

That said, as the stop board does constitute the stop line, at temporary traffic lights, I would not have expected a car ahead of me, that had gone past the board on green, where there was nothing else going on on the road that might require it, to do an emergency stop. But I would hope to be paying enough attention, and to have enough of a stopping distance, to be able to stop without touching the other car. If I did, it would be my fault for misjudging my speed, my braking or my braking distance.

sanfairyanne · 15/02/2015 13:09

we all know what temp traffic lights are like. its quite common to see cars coming towards you having run a red light, on a one lane road. definitely best to be prepared for a sudden stop rather than racing to get through on amber

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 15/02/2015 13:15

So, are you saying that you should only go through temporary traffic lights if you know they are going to stay green until you get through them, sanfairyann? Because how would you know this?

I tend to trust that the lights are set up such that all the traffic that goes through on green will get to the other end before the light there goes green for the other direction, even if the light goes amber as the last car goes past it (the light, not the stop sign). But I wouldn't go speeding through a single lane working section anyway, and in my experience, most people go through a single lane section of roadworks, with temporary traffic lights, at pretty low speeds.

TheRealAmandaClarke · 15/02/2015 13:27

Laughingmyarseoff
Great name.
Great post.

sanfairyanne · 15/02/2015 14:25

i'm saying that it is particularly wise to leave a safe braking distance as the car in front might stop suddenly.

Sallyingforth · 15/02/2015 14:55
  • particularly at roadworks where there might be a rough surface or ramps.
laughingmyarseoff · 15/02/2015 18:35

Thanks TheRealAmandaClarke :)

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