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to want just want a quote?!!

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Nr1LadiesDefectiveAgency · 10/02/2015 10:31

I live in central london, and have now been trying for the best part of 6 weeks to get a quote for installation of an ensuite bathroom.

one trader i contacted - last week, then chased twice- told me today he can only come tomorrow evening (!), then maybe not until next week or the week after. maybe?!! Confused

i've had two others around with no actual quote in sight.

am i being unreasonable or is this just how long it takes?!

OP posts:
grumbleina · 10/02/2015 11:46

Germgirl A YEAR?

This guy did my house and I absolutely love him - to the point where I'm sad because there's nothing left for him to do. Your mileage may vary - I'm quite relaxed about things like mess, so he seemed really tidy to me but I don't really know what 'untidy' or 'tidy' would be, if that makes sense? But his work is immaculate and he's super super nice.

www.mybuilder.com/profile/view/davis123

Nr1LadiesDefectiveAgency · 10/02/2015 12:19

this is crazy. agree with the suggestion that we all retrain!

i SO cannot DIY this!

good luck gemgirl - one year?!?! aarrggh

sigh.

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Nr1LadiesDefectiveAgency · 10/02/2015 12:21

fluffyraggies totally see what you're saying. i think ( but maybe i'm on my own here) I would actually be prepared to spend money for a good quote.

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FishyNibble · 10/02/2015 13:47

We're also in SW London/Surrey & have had this. I got planning permission about 18 months ago & was then inundated with letters (I'd say well over 50 letters) from builders wanting to quote for the job. Of the 5 I selected, 1 didn't turn up, one turned up & then wouldn't get back to us, a third quoted 3 times our budget (and 3 times the cost of the last 2 builders too) so I presume he just didn't want the job. And then the builder we went with did a runner before starting the project and we can't get hold of him so nothing has been done. I have given up now, think we may just sell up and buy a new build that doesn't need anything doing to it. OP, I feel your pain, YANBU.

And Checkatrade is definitely not what it used to be. We use a local LinkedIn network to ask for recommendations, but even that has been a bit hit & miss.

engeika · 10/02/2015 14:10

Same. SW London. Have had two medium-sized jobs to do since August. Builders never respond. Or if they do they come round, give us a quote, we agree a date, they don't appear. I chase, they say they are busy but nexy month will be fine, nothing happens. I e-mail/text again next month - no response.

listsandbudgets · 10/02/2015 14:13

I had this problem. Eventually someone suggested I try the Federation of Master Builders. Enter details here and if they're itnerested they phone you. I got 3 quotes in the space of 3 days and the jobs nearly done now :)

FoxInABox · 10/02/2015 14:29

I tried five companies for quotes for fitted wardrobes- only one turned up! Having same problem now with builders- its so frustrating!

LurkingHusband · 10/02/2015 14:32

If it's any consolation, I'd suggest based on my experiences that it's a similar situation with candidates for job interviews. There's always a no show. Either for the interview, or (on one occasion) for the job.

crazypenguin · 10/02/2015 14:34

I work for a large well known plumbers merchant, the branches tend to become friendly with the better plumbers and builders. (The arses tend to be arses in most areas, so the branches don't get on with them so well)
It's worth calling a few trade counters to get numbers. They won't give you the number of a crap worker because you'll cause them grief for recommending them. Some of them won't give any numbers out at all to protect themselves, but if you get one out of them, it's often someone that has done work for the staff personally.

MothershipG · 10/02/2015 14:47

Nr1 I'm having the same issue in West London getting my bathroom redone.

So far; 2 no shows, 1 no quote & 1 who stomped off abruptly when I wouldn't agree to give him the job there and then!

Lovely builder round today, said he would get back to me tomorrow, what's the betting he does and the quote will be eye-watering?

I am starting to despair.

Bramshott · 10/02/2015 14:54

fluffyraggles - can you tell me the difference between an estimate and a quote from a builders point of view?? We have also had this problem (although bathroom refit now scheduled in for next week - hurray!) and I wonder if I am using the wrong terminology and that's why people won't come round?? When I phone to ask for a "quote", what I mean is "this is work that I need doing, I am getting a couple of people to come and see, and give me a price, then I will choose one and get things moving fast". Is that what you'd call a quote, or an estimate?

Bramshott · 10/02/2015 14:57

Ah no - sorry - I have read you wrong! You were meaning that it takes quite a lot of work to prepare a quote that you can be held to.

TBH in the end we've agreed an hourly rate with our plumber as that seemed to be the only way to get things moving (they have done work for us before, and I trust them not to screw us around).

farewellfigure · 10/02/2015 15:04

Same here in Surrey. It took us a year. Finally we have an absolute diamond of a builder who is currently doing our kitchen and bathroom. He lives two streets away and we had to fit him in over Christmas or wait until June. He confirmed that every builder he knows is rushed off their feet. My advice is to find someone very local and go for word of mouth recommendations. Has anyone you know had building work done recently? Then you can say to the builder 'so-and-so recommended you' and they might be more inclined to pop along and quote for you.

LL12 · 10/02/2015 15:08

I had the most wonderful man fit some fitted furniture in my dd bedroom a few years ago, he was recommended by a friend who picked his name from the yellow pages as she couldn't get a carpenter so thought she would take a risk.
He came at exactly 7pm like he said he would (my mum saw him sitting in his van down the rd as he had obviously wanted to make sure he was on time) he said he couldn't fit us in for a few months as he was busy but booked a date in his diary and said he would call on such and such a date beforehand to finalise everything.
True to his word, 5 months later on the exact day he said he would he called, he was wonderful, I wanted to use him to fit my kitchen last year but he had moved to OZ, instead I ended up with a pathetic excuse for a human being fitting it, I was gutted.

fluffyraggies · 10/02/2015 15:30

Yes, a quote is set in stone, and will (should) always be in writing. So everyone knows where everyone stands. An estimate is an educated guess. It can still be given in writing, but also could be as simple as a chin run and an 'oooh - £100 for materials, £200 for labor', on the spot sort of thing. Think 'guestimate' if it helps you remember which is which :)

DH has in the past thought about charging for quotes - maybe £10ish. It is recommended business practice to charge for a quote actually. However it seemed cheeky. We have found that now he's got his 'eye in' for customers he can kind of tell straight away who's just musing and who's genuine.

I can totally understand why folk want quotes as opposed to estimates. Any good tradesman should be able to come up with a proper quote for you in writing and stick to it. However, don't be afraid of asking for an estimate for a job to begin with. You are not bound by it, you may find more people willing to come round to give a quick estimate, and you can still ask for a written quote if the estimate suits.

As for why a roofer, or any tradesman, wouldn't come back to a tried and trusted customer - who knows? Maybe he was just really busy and didn't need the work? Maybe he had taken on a lot of contract work and had no time for 'private' work? When times are tough financially the stability of contract work (with a big company) is attractive. However you are then tied up full time.

It's good practice to keep your old customers happy though. DH has been known to take on the odd small job at a loss to himself for an elderly customer who was in need.

fluffyraggies · 10/02/2015 15:31

chin run - chin RUB Grin

Redcherries · 10/02/2015 15:34

We're a reasonable sized builders, at this time of year we see a lot of people speculating as to cost/possibility of work who are looking for advise or an estimate for works. I would advise you are very clear that you are ready to carry out the works and not just speculating. Ask for a quote and the lead time worst case scenario.

It can take several days of work putting together a quote for an extension, or a bathroom refurb etc when you factor in survey, correspondence, material research, checking into the legal side of planning etc and what might be needed. We have 4 this week we are working on so I am one man down on site all week as he is estimating/surveying and I am putting together final quotes and researching lead times etc. If none of our domestic home-owners come through we have lost two people for a whole week with no finance coming in to cover (We will be paying wages but have to ensure our live jobs are coming in on budget). If we see leads that imply a client is just speculating, or you approach in that manner you may find that we turn down the opportunity, this way we ensure we're not reducing our capabilities onsite to chase work that has a limited likelihood of being agreed.

We also find that people expect quotes within a few days, but we have to do all of the above plus run live sites, maintain the books and wages, eat dinner, not always work through the evening and weekend. I would advise that a fairly busy but smallish company offering domestic works need a week or so to put together a full quote. A lot of the builders are squeezing in a site during the day, surveys in the evenings/weekends and any admin/finances etc where they can. Clearly if its a small job this may not be the case.

Rated people - you pay a fee for each lead you buy, the home owners estimate seems to determine how much you pay. I would say 99% of the leads I have seen this week are people considering works and wanting advise - or an estimate, which isn't a proper quote its just an abouts figure to gauge if you can afford the work.

My builder - you pay a fee if your short-listed by the home owner. This seems to have larger jobs, rated people seems to be more handymen etc. (In our area)

We would never miss appointments, that's plain rude. We are mainly commercial though so our client base is 90% repeat and we are well known for our client attention. We rarely advertise, we operate almost entirely on word of mouth or repeat custom. Definitely look to see if any neighbours have had works and can recommend a local builder, or of your work place has work done the team may carry out domestic too.

Redcherries · 10/02/2015 15:39

I would add, an estimate works both ways so if you do get one and agree the work ask for a written quote before the works start and factor in that when a more in depth look at the work is carried out to provide this it can go either way.

Fluffy, we do the same with some of clients. Some of them are just plain lovely and we have some very good long term relationships.

grumbleina · 10/02/2015 16:06

This so helpful, but I also feel quite guilty. I had never really considered the difference between a quote and an estimate. Thankfully I only get quotes when I want a job done, so hopefully haven't angered too many tradespeople, but quite often I'd have been happy with estimates instead.

LurkingHusband · 10/02/2015 16:16

Quote, estimate, or embroidered in gold thread. It's immaterial when they don't bother to turn up Sad

fluffyraggies · 10/02/2015 16:22

That is very true lurk, no reputable business should fail to turn up to an appt. with a customer. If they are too busy to take on any work they should say so at the outset.

Redcherries · 10/02/2015 16:23

Lurking :(

Germgirl · 10/02/2015 16:38

grumbleina thank you. I will contact him. Hopefully he'll be prepared to come south of the river :)
And yes, a year! Obviously we've not been calling people every day of that year but we've spent a lot of time waiting for people to reply or all round.
We thought we'd cracked it with a man my BIL used, he came round & said he'd send a quote but nothing, we've emailed him a few times since but it's clear he's not interested.
We'll keep looking & in the meantime my hall will continue to look like a building site :)

slithytove · 10/02/2015 16:40

Would avoid rated people like the plague, they don't allow bad reviews.

My kitchen fitter threatened me and the police were involved. Couldn't post it on rated people as "it does not describe the quality of the work" Hmm

SomewhereIBelong · 10/02/2015 16:48

I'm in Gloucestershire, we must have all the handymen/plumbers/fitters etc in the country because I always manage to get 3 or 4 estimates for work within a few days, and I've never had anyone not turn up when they said they would (how rude!)