Yes, it is wrong to me because you are showing such a lack of compassion (on a parenting site too!) for the pain infertility causes.
I have no doubt that infertility is awful and distressing and painful. I don't fully understand as I have no first hand experience of it, but do have friends who have been through it. I have already said that. Just because I don't think it should be funded doesn't show a lack of compassion.
You have refused to consider the unfairness of only allowing rich people to have IVF
It is unfair! Fertility is unfair. Life is unfair. This goes without saying. it's so obvious I really didn't know it was a problem that I haven't acknowledged it. I read that and thought, yes, I agree!
Money removes barriers in many cases, not just to the best fertility doctors in the world, but the best schools, barristers, jobs, life expectancy etc, etc. It goes without saying that it's unfair that rich people can afford to have as many cycles as they can wish for, when others can't. This isn't an IVF exclusive argument, and tbh, I didn't realise I had to say that to make my argument valid and less wrong in your eyes. "It's not fair!" is not a be all and end all argument to justify spending millions of pounds on fertility treatment or anything else for that matter. The "It's not fair!" argument rings on deaf ears for the cancer patients who've had their chance of life-enhancing medication cut.
*You don't seem to see that IVF is already rationed."
Again, I didn't know that I had to formally acknowledge this. I hereby formally acknowledge it.
and you contradict yourself in saying having children isn't a right but once you've got pregnant you have the right to free treatment.
FFS it isn't a right! EllieQ do you actually think that it is a right, really?
There is no contradiction in saying that having a child is not a right, but then becoming pregnant, and then having the right to ante natal and post natal care and midwifery care and everything else that comes along.
Once you are pregnant, the life has been created, EllieQ and at that point, the very essence of the NHS means that you and your unborn child has the right to any care needed.
Once a child is conceived following infertility treatment, of course that child has the right to NHS services both before and after it's birth. My problem is with the assisted conception part, honestly, are you not bored of going round and round in circles.
You're saying people have the right to treatment for self-inflicted illnesses eg: liver disease from alcoholism, but not treatment for infertility, which is unlikely to have been self-inflicted.
Yes and God forbid that any child who has been born as a result of fertility treatment develops an alcohol or drug dependency in later life, then that child, too will be entitled to treatment.
And you haven't even bothered to do some research to find facts and figures to support your comments!
It's not a fucking research paper/essay up for assessment, EllieQ it's an ill-though out rambling thread of thoughts and opinions that has evolved as discussions tend to do.
Anyway, some people have made some brilliant points on here. I can't remember the pp's name who mentioned about 3 parent IVF or whatever it's called, but that's something that has stopped me in my tracks.
Your way of insisting that I respond to every little point you make is tiresome and a bit controlling EllieQ. We are allowed to have different opinions. You can't dictate to me how I put across my point. Some of the things that you demand I recite back to you are so obvious that they would just not need to mentioned to most of the people on here, I think. But if I'm wrong about that, then I'm sorry.