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To think the Auschwitz memorial television shows should have been balanced out with some about the current concentration camps in North Korea?

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ChoochiWoo · 30/01/2015 06:52

That really, I think a lot of people don't even register that concentration camps exist at large over there still...so vast you can see them from Google space, and regard things like Auschwitz as a.'war problem'of a another generation, I think an opportunity to educate, and inform making something like this really relevant was really missed.

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FuzzyWizard · 30/01/2015 12:42

I have read that book and another called "nothing to envy" about life in North Korea. Harrowing and shocking but very little that a documentary maker could verify or corroborate. We have no access to the sites and no access to official documents that could shed light on what actually goes on there.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 30/01/2015 12:47

it's like saying Match Of The Day should feature Ballet

Love it Wink

I'm another who'd like to see proper attention paid to other atrocities, but not on this particular day with its specific focus

Also interesting that we don't tend to see calls for programmes about the suffering of other communities to be "balanced out" ... Hmm

ChoochiWoo · 30/01/2015 17:33

Further up i did clarify I meant like a short imforative season, not half way through the memorial service cut the camera to the total control zone, like some of the posts think I mean, actually to the poster who blasted me for using the word holocaust it is one, the camps have been going twice as long as Stalins gulags and 12 times as long the Nazi's , so to use any other word I feel would be minimising.

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SuburbanRhonda · 30/01/2015 17:56

It's not true that there are no first-hand accounts of North Korean death camps.

This is just one.

Reekypear · 30/01/2015 17:58

No. It's 70 years since the liberation. Yabu.

maras2 · 30/01/2015 17:59

Is it necessary to have competitive genocide?;and to refer to the coverage of the Auschwitz liberation anniversary as a 'show' is rather disrespectful.Best choose more sensitive words when posting about such a sensitive subject.

Reekypear · 30/01/2015 17:59

What about china and thier human rights. The have killed tens of millions of thier own, but I bet your house is full of stuff made thier.

FuzzyWizard · 30/01/2015 18:26

I would never use the term holocaust to refer to the Gulag either nor would I personally use it to refer to any other genocide (though I understand why people would). State terror and murder is horrendous in all circumstances but the term holocaust is an immensely emotive term... It means total burning and refers to an attempt to completely wipe out certain ethnic groups (e.g. Jews, Sinti, Roma). Other attempts to completely eradicate ethnic groups etc could be referred to as holocausts (I wouldn't personally) but I really don't think that applies in this case. There is no attempt to completely wipe out a race or group. It is extensive state terror but not a holocaust IMO; there is no indiscriminate total burning. It is targeted.

FuzzyWizard · 30/01/2015 18:32

i mean targeted at individuals rather than groups IYSWIM

Skatingfastonthinice · 30/01/2015 18:52

I've often thought that the coverage out to include a lot more information about the 5 million people who were killed in the camps other than the Jews.
For example, the Roma don't call what happened 'The Holocaust' Most call it Porajmos. The Devouring. An attempt to wipe out an entire race.

atticusclaw · 30/01/2015 18:55

Perhaps you should get the thread title changed OP, its offensive and people are going to click on thinking you mean to offend (which I don't think you do)

FuzzyWizard · 30/01/2015 19:05

Most Jewish people don't use it the term holocaust either. They refer to it as the Shoah. I 100% agree about the extent to which the losses of other groups seem to be sidelined. I seem to recall that a greater % of European Roma and Sinti died than the % of European Jews. Their population was absolutely decimated. TV show never seem to quite convey the impact on other groups.

ChoochiWoo · 31/01/2015 09:45

i reported my title last night btw surprised its still here, just Fyi

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