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AIBU to wonder when the dicking around with mealtimes/food will end?!

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Soupyliv · 26/01/2015 19:55

My son is 3 and not really into food. When I say 'food'; I mean actual meals, snacks, cakes, finger foods etc are fine. This has been tough for me as I love food, love to cook and went on special baby weaning/family cooking course in order to transition him from milk into healthy nutritious food..

Over the last almost 4 years I would HATE to think how much food I have thrown away; I am quite hard line with him, even as a baby I would restrict snacks so he was hungry, I do not spoon feed him anything and expect him to do it himself etc.. and even now after an hour of complaining he's is hungry, every mealtime is a massive drama/chore of me giving him ultimatums, telling him he ahas got half an hour to eat it etc.. him trying to negotiate number of mouthfuls, telling me he doesn't like it (god forbid i try anything new)..

I know this is not a new issue in parenting, but to be honest it has completely drained the joy out of food for me too, my expectations are now very low and I am feeding him stuff I never thought that I would :-(

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Ifyourawizardwhydouwearglasses · 28/01/2015 09:08

I think it's really dangerous to start rewarding children for eating and 'making them clear their plate.'

My DS (2) sometimes doesn't eat, so he has to sit and watch me eat and then the dog gets his if he doesn't want it. Then he has to wait until next meal.

No child will actually starve themselves. Sometimes they're just not as hungry.

I also think that using pudding as a reward is really bad - you're teaching them not only that some foods are nice and some just a chore, bt also that good can be used as a reward and comfort, which won't serve them well later in life.

Ifyourawizardwhydouwearglasses · 28/01/2015 09:09

...that food can be used as a reward...

Ilovehamabeads · 28/01/2015 09:24

My DS is almost 7 and still dicks around at ever single bloody mealtime. I'd also like to know when it ends.
He never, ever gets an alternative meal through moaning, and I don't ever give him something I know he genuinely doesn't like but he still sits there for an hour every night before it goes in the bin.
I also did the healthy eating/weaning courses and bought all the right books. You have my sympathies!

FightOrFlight · 28/01/2015 09:52

I agree with popcorn re: allowing them to eat when they are hungry. Not everyone feels hungry on the dot of 12 or wants their tea at 5pm. I've been known to crack out my packed lunch at 11am because I've been hungry enough to eat my own arm. Equally, if I am going out for a meal at 8pm I often find I'm 'past it' in terms of hunger and eat a lot less than if I'd eaten at my usual mealtime of 6pm. As adults we can get ourselves snacks, meals etc as and when we are feeling hungry, children don't have that option.

If people breastfeed/bottlefeed on demand then it seems odd to become so rigid once they are toddlers. It seems more about imposing social conventions (eating at set times) than providing food when a child is hungry.

You can still get the child to sit down with the family at the set meal time in order to establish socialisation. Give them a small portion of what they like and don't stress if they chose not to eat any of it. You will probably find that appetites and feelings of hunger change (or can be controlled better) as the child gets older.

I appreciate that once a child is at nursery/school then they will have to fit in with the assigned lunchbreak but if a child gets hungry mid-morning then just provide a substantial snack (small sandwich instead of an apple etc.). Let the teachers know that your child is likely to eat a very small amount of their lunch and not to worry about it.

lljkk · 28/01/2015 09:57

quite hard line with him, even as a baby I would restrict snacks so he was hungry

I didn't like reading that. You really have got yourself into an unhealthy tizz about his eating, it must take a huge toll on your mental health. He's not going to starve or fade away. It sounds like you are still heavily invested in what he eats, how he eats, etc, so it's a great attention seeker for him.

sugarman · 28/01/2015 10:02

I have often observed children eating in group situations and have noticed that children from particular cultures eat extremely well. They look happy when they eat. These are cultures in which families come together to eat and talk and relax. And I think that in Western societies we have moved away from that, we are often rushing, eating separately, eating different meals from others in the family and focused on the taste rather than the joy of being together. My little response to this is to make meal times at home all about family and less about the actual food. The kids have tasks eg set the table or serve the food so that everyone feels a part of the ritual. It definitely helps if they take part in the food preparation, too.

DisappointedOne · 28/01/2015 10:02

Please please please read "my child won't eat". Your expectations need serious reprogramming.

OP, your child "has to" feed himself because you're expecting a new baby? What a crock of selfish shit.

I BLWed DD. I've cooked with her since she could stand. She has input into what we eat as a family. She plates her own food and eats nicely. She's never been shown frustration or had demands made of her or deadlines set. At 3 she would make scrambled egg from scratch (supervised) and butter her own toast. She adores veg. Only thing she's fussy about is things in sauces, but I can live with that. She's never eaten a chicken nugget and prefers proper adult fish and chips when out.

Mealtimes aren't a battle even if she doesn't eat much. She won't starve herself.

Soupyliv · 28/01/2015 10:04

Believe lljkk I have tried all avenues of approach, I don't feel like I am in an unhealthy tizz (interesting interpretation), and my mental health is fine thanks. I'm just trying to figure out a solution that works for ALL of us

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DisappointedOne · 28/01/2015 10:05

Eta - we are at an airport before s lunchtime flight. DD didn't eat here but asked if we could take it with us. It was boxed up and taken on the plane. No sooner was she clicked in and she asked for hiker lunch and ate the lot. Sometimes they just don't want to eat when we say it's time to.

Toddlers usually have a very healthy relationship with food - they eat when they're hungry. Something we adults should adopt more often.

TwelveLeggedWalk · 28/01/2015 10:16

I never wanted to go down the route of using pudding as reward, but DS will push his plate away claiming to be full/not hungry/have a tummyache, and in the same breath be demanding a yoghurt/chocolate buttons.

I don't mind if he's had a reasonably good dinner and then wants some fruit afterwards. But in toddler world it's not much of a leap to refusing dinner out right and screaming for cake.

Goldmandra · 28/01/2015 10:25

But in toddler world it's not much of a leap to refusing dinner out right and screaming for cake.

You could give him a small amount of cake when everyone else is finished but not extra to make up for the lack of savoury. It won't be enough to satisfy him and, by the next mealtime, he will be hungry and should find the savoury more attractive.

This isn't a one meal wonder solution. It's a way of thinking in the longer term and is aimed giving children a positive attitude to all areas of a balanced diet. If the savoury has to be eaten to earn the sweet, the sweet becomes more attractive and eating the savoury is perceived as a chore.

steppeinginto2015 · 28/01/2015 10:44

I don't do pudding as a reward, but I do say, that you can't have pudding if you haven't eaten a reasonable amount of main, simply because the veg and meat etc is better for you, if you are hungry, eat the healthy stuff, if you aren't hungry fine, but you don't get to fill up on sweet stuff.

TBH, I think trying to get him to feed himself before baby is born is a non starter, because even if he does it, he may well regress when baby is here.

I have always done the meal time at table, everyone sits at table, food on plates (or help yourself or whatever)
We don't talk about food, talk about our day etc.
When meal is finished, food that is left goes in bin. NO fuss. No snacks till next meal/snack time.

If we normally have a piece of cake at 3:30, and they didn't eat lunch, I don't withhold the cake, this is new meal, new food.

BuggerLumpsAnnoyed · 28/01/2015 10:59

DS is 3 and sounds very similar. What helped us was getting him involved with his food. He even tried, and liked mackerel the other day because we went to the fish counter and he helped pick it (he thought the fish were looking at him)

Also getting him to "help" while cooking. Whenever i do that i notice he eats so much more.

Momagain1 · 28/01/2015 11:09

I feel your pain. I used to be a chef. I already raised two children who happily ate all sorts of very grown up foods from a young age.

Then I had my 3rd. Who was distressed at the concept of solid food from the beginning. Would have happily stayed on a liquid diet for a couple of years. Then got tonsillitus and developed a deep suspicion of all food. Then we moved countries, so even basic foods tasted different. He turned 2 a week after our move. Spent the next year cajoling and fussing and unhappy at his habit. I never left the house without a little insulated box of foods he would eat. Good advice anyway, but absolutely required as nothing usually on offer for children was of interest. He wouldnt eat flippin' french fries! Or new and unknown biscuits or candy either.

Before a cross country flight to visit my mother, she asked for a list of what he would eat, so she could have them in stock already. Turns out, he actually ate pretty well. Just not what people expected a kid to want. Having the list in front of me made it much easier to accept, somehow. Much easier to work with.

So, i stopped trying. We ate a lot of pizza, and pasta, and stirfried noodles. And plain grilled meats with 2 veg. He ate a LOT of veggie sticks, pizza, fruit. I fed him the healthy foods he would eat in as large a quantity as he wanted. I treated him to the treats he would eat as I felt necessary. We went on like this for quite a while years. I became aware that I was being judged as being a mummy bizarrely strict about the healthiness of my child's food. Bringing veg sticks and cut up plain chicken to birthday parties because I wouldn't 'let' him have hot dogs and french fries. I went with it. Better they judge me, than judge him as being a fussy child because he wouldn't eat what the other children do. Adults harassing him would not help in the long run.

Gradually, we could introduce new crunchy veg. When I was prepping our meal, i just set aside his portion raw. For cooked veg, I became that hide the veg mom. Pureeing extra veg into sauce for spaghetti or pizza, for example. Also into hamburgers! Or figuring out that i could add quite a bit of slivered veg to stir-fried noodles and they would all slither down. Mostly. New raw fruits were easy, but cooked fruits is still a big fat NO.

Gradually, we introduced the one bite rule for new foods. When he was about 6 I think. You dont have to like it, you just have to eat one bite, (often presented on a flat bottomed chinese restaurant spoon, so as not to contaminate the meal) and then say, 'thank you, i have had enough (that food) for today'. And we responded, 'thank you for trying (food), i appreciate your politeness about it.' Took a while to establish this, but it did become a habit.

Three things happening with this. 1. Exposure. You need to experience a new taste a number of times to get past the automatic rejection and actually taste it. 2. Manners. I expect he will ALWAYS have issues with new foods and certain foods, and so, he must learn good manners to deal with it. Nothing worse than a whingey dramatic grown up kicking up a fuss over a food. 3. Control. Sometimes, if he asks politely, he can skip the try. Because i want him to feel he has some control over his food. By letting him refuse, I like to think he sees himself as making choices to try when he doesnt refuse. i dont accept a refusal an actual first time ever try. But after that, I might. If I say 'it's up to you, he usually will eat.

One of his sisters really helped at first by pointing out that it's best to get the try bite over with first thing, while it is still hot. It isnt going to get any better sitting there getting cold. She also taught him to ready a forkful of the best thing on his plate, stuff the try in, chew it and swallow super fast, then stuff in a bite of the good stuff. She made quite a game of practicing this every time she came over. A messy, messy game. Sometimes it was hard to tell she was 22 years older, instead of 2. She taught him to eat french fries though, which was handy as they are pretty universally available.

Quite often, one new food will open a new range. He discovered lentil soup at school, so i have added first lentils, and now other beans to the try bite range. He likes pepperoni, pepperoni is sausage, so he had tries of sausage every week. now he eats sausage, but only Cumberland as that was what we had the night he declared it good. so thats what I tell him they are. Sometimes they are cumberland sausage made with other things though, Wink. He likes kale, bizarrely after 1 try! Recently, we introduced flat kale (spring greens) and baby kale (chopped brussels sprouts). Ball kale (savoy cabbage) is on the menu tonight. He doesnt like them as much as kale, but he knows the store sometimes doesnt have any. Recently, a soup made with kale, sausage and cannelini beans was eaten with no discussion at all. Shock. One the other hand, he has no idea he has been eating cabbage or various chinese greens in the stirfry noodles all along.

So, yes. Just evaluate his true range, and work with it. Once the nightly battle is gone, set up strategic defense points, and gradually work out. This has gotten us to seven and a half. His willingness to try new foods, and eat things he claims not to like has much improved this last year. Which may be because of my super terrific system Grin, or maybe peer pressure at school, or maybe he is just getting too big and active and he is too bloody hungry to restrict himself.

SparklyTwinkleGlitter · 28/01/2015 11:11

OP, pretty much the same here.

My DS is nearly 6. Chicken nuggets, fish fingers, pasta...boring bland stuff. Occasionally, he surprises me and actually enjoys trying something new and interesting. Then the next day, back to same old, same old.

I cook different foods for mealtimes regularly and try to save some in batches for microwaving for myself for another day. Utterly depressing and all the pleasure gone from cooking.

Family meals, p'ah!
My DH refuses to eat at normal mealtimes, he prefers his main meal about 10pm at night. He's not interested in food, won't go for a meal out. In fact, we haven't had a restaurant meal out on our own since before DS was born. Even when we got married 2 years ago!

I'm not going to fret too much though as I know I was a very picky eater as a kid and grew out of it.

Oh, and I was probably also a smug mum early on as my DS used to have a hearty appetite and eat everything put in front of him till he hit 3.
Smug no more. Blush

Momagain1 · 28/01/2015 11:49

From aged 2 to the beginning of school, he was a grazer. I didnt care when he ate the healthy foods he would eat. He ate as he requested, or when I thought his behaviour was grizzley due to undereating and then a bit more with us. Sweets and treats were at table foods. Mostly.

Somehow, I never mentioned peanut butter sandwiches on whole wheat bread. Yeah, twice a day most days, sometimes 3x, until last year. Chicken and bread but not put together in a sandwich became a thing. Eventually, ham and bread as a dry sandwich. During much stress of our overseas move, ham and butter, like you can get in shops, became grudgingly acceptable. Which was great as pbutter couldnt go to school. i made bread or purchased really granola weaving high grain loaves for him.

I said he would have gladly stayed on a liquid diet rather than start solids: he did continue to have toddler formula until we moved to the US. Then dairy milk, and almond milk or soy milk was at every meal and his usual between meal beverage too. In the US, milk is supplemented with vitamin D and I could get a high protein brand too, the non-dairy drinks also were supplemented to equal milk. He got a chewable vitamin tablet a couple times a week too. It helped reduce the bother over whether or not his diet was varied enough in any particular week.

Certain brands of dry cereal were acceptable grazing food, except we couldnt get the same kinds when we moved back here, so that was tough until we agreed new sorts (by age 6, willingness to try new sugary foods had greatly improved!)

frankbough · 28/01/2015 12:07

We have 2 under fours, the eldest has been a picky eater since birth and a fussy sleeper, huge tantrums etc.. Mealtimes were a regular battle ground although now she's approaching four she's beginning to change and relax a little about food and sleeping etc..
No 2 dd eats everything, sleeps and is generally a cheery soul.. I think it's just one of those things, different personalities...

DoJo · 28/01/2015 12:20

My son has been a nightmare eater, but there is one meal (with a few substitutions eg rice or pasta, carrots or broccoli) which is balanced and healthy and he will eat. I give him variations of this meal pretty much every day with an added item that I would like him to eat and think he will like.

This item it not mentioned unless he brings it up at which point I will answer questions about it and remove it from his plate if he is insistent. There is no encouragement to try it, and no reward for doing so, but no punishment if he doesn't touch it and no comment except fairly low-key praise and a discussion about the taste if he does try something. He knows that he doesn't have to like everything, but that if he tries new foods, he might find one he really likes and that is the reward!

He has gone from refusing to touch any food with the 'mystery item' still on the plate, to taking tentative bites and tasting new things on a semi-regular basis, with no encouragement or discussion. I wouldn't say it has been easy, but it has been SIGNIFICANTLY easier than creating a battle at mealtimes. Even something simple like pressing the buttons on the microwave can make him massively more enthusiastic about trying food that he has 'cooked' which helps.

SaucyMare · 28/01/2015 13:02

children won't starve themselves

Complete and utter tosh, my mother watched me losing weight whilst refusing to eat.

In the end she took me to the docs for yeast medicine.

Goldmandra · 28/01/2015 13:55

children won't starve themselves

It isn't complete and utter tosh. It's a good principle to work on with the majority of toddlers and pre-schoolers who are becoming fussy or resistant eaters. If you trust them to select their own food from a balanced diet on offer, they will eat what they need.

Yes, there are exceptions, particularly amongst children with ASD and, of course, there are plenty of children with anorexia but they aren't the norm.

sparkysparkysparky · 28/01/2015 13:59

Can I just sigh? We try not to make a battle, we try rewards, you name it: we try it. DC is 7. Ate fecking pureed swede as a baby. Ho hum.

SaucyMare · 28/01/2015 14:54

Yes, there are exceptions, particularly amongst children with ASD and, of course, there are plenty of children with anorexia but they aren't the norm.

you are not allowed to generalise on MN, but this one is allowed on every thread about difficult child eaters.

The OP has explained that she isn't an "oh dear didn't you like the broccoli? here have some cake to fill you up" mother.

And if your child is such a difficult eater already it is quite likely they are one of the exceptions. but telling worried parents whose children are not eating that their child is doing something wrong just adds to the concern.

geekymommy · 28/01/2015 15:12

Is the drama at mealtime making him anxious? Anxiety can kill your appetite.

Wanting him to try everything and not wanting to waste food are incompatible goals. He's not going to like everything he tries. I bet there are foods you have tried and didn't like. If trying something new means he's going to have to choke down a significant quantity of it even if he doesn't like it, from his point of view why should he try new foods?

Forcing him to eat something is a good way to get a 30 year old who still doesn't eat whatever it is. (Ask me how I know this!)

DoJo · 28/01/2015 15:34

I think you need to decide whether you want him to eat more variety of food, more food full stop or be independent and feed himself. It sounds like your focus on him feeding himself is taking up time and energy which you could be putting into expanding his repertoire. I don't know any 3 year olds who feed themselves exclusively, even those who do it most of the time, and I certainly wouldn't refuse to help a child who was willing to eat but wanted some help as I think that sends a mixed message.

Feeding/helping load forks and spoons is also a good way to encourage eating without 'encouraging' it if you know what I mean. I do an elaborate story about how Mr Spoon and Mrs Fork want to go out but they both need hats. Mr Fork gets a carrot hat and then as I look for Mrs Spoon's hat, I make it absolutely clear that it would be a tragedy if anything were to happen to Mr Fork's carrot hat, which is usually gone in record time.

I also do 'show me which piece of carrot is biggest' and once he's got it in his hand, he will usually eat it. Then 'can you show me something green' and how many pieces of pasta do you think you can get on a fork' all that kind of stuff really seems to help. It is a more hands off approach (literally) but still has you involved and 'helping' which I think is often what they want.

Anything like that seems to really lighten the mood at mealtimes and keep the focus on eating without the focus actually being on what/how much/when it is eaten, so best of both worlds.

Goldmandra · 28/01/2015 15:42

And if your child is such a difficult eater already it is quite likely they are one of the exceptions.

If you mean that being a young child who is becoming a fussy eater is a good indicator of ASD or anorexia, you are absolutely wrong.

It is very common for 2 and 3 year olds to become fussy about food. There is no reason to assume that they will starve themselves or have a neurodevelopmental disorder unless there are significant additional symptoms alongside the resistant eating.

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