Forget UKIP, Tories or labour This party is Britain's future!!

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Maybe they should be represented in the TV debates. Free UK party certainly are more interesting than the rest of them!

Errr, Ive elected to not buy into all the shit that we are fed. Now that's wise.

All we have had is the tories or plastic tories. Now its time for a change. Therefore its UKIP.

Tinks, "We're voting UKIP because we're voting for change" was what people in Rochester were saying during the by-election, according to my friend there.

They voted in exactly the same man who'd been the Tory MP.

Wearing a different tie.

Lets speak in laymans terms here (im working class).... and couldnt give a flying shit about long words nor smart comments. I dont read any newspapers nor go seeking any other form on a tablet or two.

I have "seen" with my own eyes over the last decade the rich getting richer and the working class becoming poorer and yes that is due to the open door policy, and yes that is due mass immigration. I have seen English people being made to feel we are racist for commenting on such.

I personally have had enough.

Just goes to show its a damn game then doesnt it Pausing. If Im playing then Im shaking it up.

UKIP have published policy documents in the recent past stating that they believe the NHS should be privatised. They are also a flat tax party, meaning that someone on minimum wage would pay the same income tax as a millionaire. I'm working class too and I would rather stop a bullet than vote for Farrago and his scum.

How is "the rich getting richer" due to immigration?

As opposed to tax cuts, and house prices rises benefitting people who bought before the crazy rises (so clearly not recent immigrants).

(And other things - I'm not claiming to list everything contributing to inequality. But I'd like to hear a coherent argument how legal immigration makes the rich richer, given we have a National Minimum Wage.)

I have to leave this thread due to people not seeing what's staring them in their faces and the last straw was from a working class person. Unbelievable.

Oh, and Al Murray is brilliant

I have "seen" with my own eyes over the last decade the rich getting richer and the working class becoming poorer

Yes, that's true.

and yes that is due to the open door policy, and yes that is due mass immigration.

How? Can you connect the dots for me please?

I would much rather have Al Murray than the vile Farage as PM.

"we could end up being stuck with an unelected government who have four years to do untold damage to institutions like the NHS."

Is this an ironic statement?

Yes, I wondered that, Boney...

And, um, wow at the flounce by Tinks.

Was it that hard a question?

I have to leave this thread due to people not seeing what's staring them in their faces and the last straw was from a working class person. Unbelievable

Immigration
Of course the reason they are coming here is because this is the greatest country in the world. The only way to stop them is for a government to change that and make things a whole lot worse. Look no further. However, in the meantime, we brick up the Channel Tunnel. With British bricks. Probably have to get some Poles in to do it. Common sense.

If you want to be a 'rebel', why not vote for the Green Party? Why vote for a party so vile to women, disabled people, people who are non white, the NHS, gay people etc?

Farage is not a 'working class' person either.

BuzzardBird

Why would I vote for the green party when they appeal to me as much as the rest?

feel free to try and sell them to me.

I hoped this would be a humourous thread and someone has flounced over it!

I think that uncontrolled immigration has made life harder for unskilled people. There is more competition for minimum wage jobs than ever because of immigrants. The rich who own businesses are able to get better value for their money because they have larger pool of people to pick from. This has suppressed wages. What is good for business is not necessarily good for people with no qualifications. Maybe this is a cause of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.

I am not sure what the answer is to this problem. We have created a generation of people with qualifications coming out of their ears who are unemployable. The graduate does not want to want to wipe the bums of the elderly. We do depend on immigrants to do the jobs that no one else wants to do.

I think that uncontrolled immigration has made life harder for unskilled people. ... We have created a generation of people with qualifications coming out of their ears who are unemployable.

Wait, sorry, is it the unskilled or the over-skilled natives who suffer because of immigrants?

But National Minimum Wage creates a floor to how far wages can be suppressed - by immigration or any other cause. It's one of the reasons NMW is so important: it prevents exactly the scenario you're describing.

If labour for the NMW end of the market were in short supply, immigration might help employers. But following the bank crashes and recession, there really isn't a shortage of (very talented) people available for NMW work.

So while immigration adds competition for those jobs and affects those seeking those jobs, I don't see how it "makes the rich richer".

The rise of zero-hours contracts, and the reduction of employment rights - I can see how those things make the rich richer.

Meh, sorry, I'm gettin' all serious.

Lucid, you've got it there. Ask the Pub Landlord that one on Question Time.

"Wait, sorry, is it the unskilled or the over-skilled natives who suffer because of immigrants?"

I am sorry I have not made myself clear. I agree I have been a bit ambigous. We have people with utterly useless degrees who do not have USEFUL vocational skills. We also have people with no qualifications whatsoever for whatever reason. Both groups find it hard to find work. Young people with skills often find hard to get a foot in the door due to lack of experience.

The reality is that immigration opens up a high quality pool of potential employees. This is good for the British ecomony in many ways, but not good for natives who cannot compete against better quality applicants.

"But National Minimum Wage creates a floor to how far wages can be suppressed - by immigration or any other cause. It's one of the reasons NMW is so important: it prevents exactly the scenario you're describing."

Why do we have whole raft of in work benefits to support those in work if the NMW is enough? There are even tax credits for single people on a very low wage and housing benefit.

I don't think that national minimum wage is high enough. Employers are also able to get around this by insisting that cleaners or people who work in the building trade are "self employed". There are also employers who illegally pay cash in hand.

NMW isn't enough, especially in the SE.

But that's not because of immigration.

*I am sorry I have not made myself clear. I agree I have been a bit ambigous. We have people with utterly useless degrees who do not have USEFUL vocational skills. We also have people with no qualifications whatsoever for whatever reason. Both groups find it hard to find work. Young people with skills often find hard to get a foot in the door due to lack of experience.

The reality is that immigration opens up a high quality pool of potential employees. This is good for the British ecomony in many ways, but not good for natives who cannot compete against better quality applicants.*

Thank you for clarifying. What you are describing are problems with the British education system, though, not with immigration.