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Moving to a new estate with a 'reputation' ;)

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Feminine · 14/01/2015 12:22

Presently we live rurally...
in a housing association home.
We have been approached for a 'swap'. This home is on a new development, homes still being built. Some are four years old.
It is one of those.
In the local area, this new development has raised some eyebrows. Narrow minded opinions l believe.
I have had so many people looking nervous when l have mentioned it, that l have started to wonder.
It is a lovely house, we'd gain space. Much needed space, and the area is so much better for me to find work in the future.
I am originally from London, l can't see the big deal. My husband loves it too.
I have found their local Facebook page, nothing stands out. Some typical housing estate issues really.
Of course, it won't be like village life,l know that. sometimes it is a bit boring anyway
It is a mixture of part owned, rented and mortgaged properties.

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Feminine · 14/01/2015 12:51

Oh, we live in a village. The estate is about 8 miles away, in one of the nearests town.

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Petallic · 14/01/2015 12:52

Having lived on "dodgy" estates, I would mostly want to know what my next door neighbours were like, especially with a new build as they tend to have thinner walls. I'd knock on with a vague "I'm thinking if moving to the street, what's it like" type friendly question.

I would also look at the position of the house on the estate - what's your route home like, is the house near any obvious issues, like pubs/shops that people are likely to hang around outside etc.

I currently live on a slightly dodgy estate, but on the edge and not on the main route from town >> roughest past (it's noticeable that those who do love on the main route get a more car vandalism/minor nuisance type stuff)

I would also question why the people want to swap to somewhere smaller if their house would give you more space.

MrsTawdry · 14/01/2015 12:54

Feminine we had one arson here...it wasn't repeated. We never hear a thing at night! It's a supposedly "rough" estate...in reality it's full of pensioners and young families with nice kids who work or go to college. Compared to the "rich area" up the road it's much friendlier too!"

WillWorkForMoney · 14/01/2015 12:56

I had a similar dilemma back in August. Perfect house was offered to me, but not-so-perfect area. Luckily dd1s best friend lives a few doors away so i asked her mam how the street was and she said thatit used to be bad, but all the "rough 'uns" have moved out so its ok now.
Anyhow I took the chance and we love it here. Our old house was on a main road so the kids couldnt play out there, but they love playing out on their bikes now. Loads more room, and a major plus is the senior school is just round the corner for when dd starts in September.
I think any area has its rough side. When my best friend told her dp where we were moving he was horrified, yet they had armed response in their street a few days ago ;)

JennieR60 · 14/01/2015 12:58

The only way u can know for sure is to drive past at various times of day. Before we brought our house it's right opposite a park, I drove past late a night early morning, lunch times weekends etc. So I got a good perspective of what the area was like at different times if the day. This would be good. Definatly don't believe what the current owner says she obv wants to move x

Feminine · 14/01/2015 12:58

It is semi detached.
Next door neighbour is someone who is hardly there apparently.
This was an area that desperately needed new homes to be built.
It isn't a 'council estate' but that is what the locals have decided it is.
l know there is nothing wrong with that (by the way) :)
Best thing (really is) is to just have a nose about at different times of the day.

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WillWorkForMoney · 14/01/2015 12:59

On police map the square directly opposite my house had 9 police call outs in nov, 6 ASB, 1 criminal damage and arson and 2 violence or sexual assault. I never heard/saw a thing lol.
None in my actual street though.

Feminine · 14/01/2015 13:02

Interesting will
Even our cosy village has a few 'circles' on that Map,!

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nemo81 · 14/01/2015 18:38

I'd take it.

I moved into my house on a well known rough estate in south east london. I had gangs of teens hanging around outside my house causing all sorts of shit. One night i got my sledge hammer walked outside knocked my wall down, said to them 'get the message?' And i've not had a problem since, tell a lie, last summer the same teens were driving their mopeds up and down the road every single evening, i got pissed off hearing it so charged outside, stood in the middle of the road and told them if they didn't fuck off i'd shove their bikes where the sun don't shine. Not heard a murmer from them since Grin

Damnautocorrect · 14/01/2015 18:52

I lived on the kind of estate you mention, the only problems were found in one block of flats where there was often police called and there was a drug dealer also living there. The other (ha and owned) flats were fine, it was just that one block.
But the builders were bastards, you'd find your road dug up, no bins collected. You'd come home from work and they'd closed the road off without warning. But it won't last forever, the ha houses were lovely.

Feminine · 14/01/2015 19:17

Thank you for explaining your situations. I am very tempted.
The lady wanting to swap *really wants a big garden, so is happy to lose house space. I would prefer a smaller 'pot plant' garden :)

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Feminine · 14/01/2015 19:17

nemo handled nicely ;)

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Feminine · 14/01/2015 19:20

They have been complaints on the Facebook site that their aren't enough dog bins... I took that as a good sign.
Oh until someone uploaded a picture of a bag of dog poo on her doorstep.
As l said though, it is a massive development... Interlinking estates with quite different homes...

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museumum · 14/01/2015 19:20

Visit any play parks and look for broken glass or signs of drug use. That would put me right off.

Feminine · 14/01/2015 19:20

*there

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madetherightdecision · 14/01/2015 20:34

Hi I have name changed just for this
I was in your situation a few months ago, So I know how anxious you must feel.I am also a H/A tenant.
We were overcrowded needing a bigger property. In a wealthy London Borough, on a lovely street and neighbours where we felt safe, with home owners, private rented and social housing (not necessarily friendly as most people ignored each other). good schools, all amenities and facilities within walking distance - however not having space for my youngest to even do his homework was taking it's toll.

We were offered a bigger and even nicer property on an estate in a different borough where the schools were not so good, transport crap, shops, facilities etc a good bus ride away. I went to see it several times asked anyone and everyone for their opinion, as I was unsure for the safety of my children, because of the reputation - things had improved drastically but I still wasn't sure. One day we drove to the area about 11am on a weekday and there were a group of young men about 20 just sitting there drinking - I went back the next day and it was the same. In the evening it was worse. Though I loved the property, I knew I couldn't rest if my teenage son had to walk through there every evening after uni. He is not a street kid! My gut instinct said no- so I declined.

The same week I found a swap. In my area an estate which was notorious a few years ago but now its nice to live here because the local MP invested time and resources into making the area safe for residents. The good thing about a swap is that you have weeks to check out everything. So I drove round morning, noon and night, school holidays, term time and I couldn't believe it was as quiet as I saw.

So I accepted. We moved in and for the 1st few weeks I was so nervous waiting for something bad to happen. Nothing so far. Even the neighbour who supposedly has a bit of a reputation is not that bad!

I am so glad we moved. In this day and age social housing is in short supply and we have to be realistic about our options - as a family we are so much more relaxed because I as a parent am. We have our bedrooms and privacy when needed. I feel so much less stressed here. My youngest goes to bed and can read and have a good nights sleep - without me rustling around later at night. At weekends he wakes later and I can have a lie in.

Living on a lovely road isn't much comfort when inside the house- nothing is organised.

We are all happy we moved - enough personal space can make a huge difference to quality of life.

The only thing I would add is if you feel confident enough to chat to your immediate neighbours before hand then try. If you see people walking nearby ask them- most will give you an honest answer. The tenants around here just complained about the length of time repairs took - but in my other place that was an issue anyway. If there is a community centre - pop in there and chat.

I say go with you gut instinct and Good luck!

Feminine · 15/01/2015 08:34

Thank you made
Thank you for all the details.
I am going to check out the area thoroughly. The lady living there at the moment is in no hurry to move, we have decided on the summer holidays... So plenty of time :)

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WitchesGlove · 16/01/2015 01:40

They should introduce a zero tolerance policy for anti social behaviour in social housing that would free up a lot of property and people homeless through no fault of their own could be housed. Those kicked out should be the ones living in shithole B&Bs and hostels.

Oh, and you should be ineligible to even apply if you have a serious criminal record. That would mean dodgy estates could become nice places to live!

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TheNewStatesman · 16/01/2015 02:21

What is the school situation? That would be the big factor for me.

Coyoacan · 16/01/2015 03:04

They should introduce a zero tolerance policy for anti social behaviour in social housing that would free up a lot of property and people homeless through no fault of their own could be housed. Those kicked out should be the ones living in shithole B&Bs and hostels

I agree, having suffered terribly after buying the cheapest house in Dublin in an area that people said had regenerated.

It only really regenerated when the neighbours set up a vigilante group and managed to kick out the anti-social types, who were surprisingly few, but it made all the difference.

Feminine · 16/01/2015 12:09

The school situation will be okay l think. There are two in the town, serving all different parts.
Thank you all. :)

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WillBeatJanuaryBlues · 16/01/2015 13:21

do you know anyone from the area who knows it...and are you letting them speak with honesty too you as you seem quite determined for it work for you...are you being open and encouraging free speak...

we have a number of large estates round here. About 4....and two have always had a bad rep...constant crime, low level, larger level....bricks thrown at windows - arson etc etc. The other two however you never ever hear about....I know for a fact from friends who have lived on the bad ones, that indeed the rep it has was true.

I would say without a doubt, before making such a decision go and hang out there! walk at night ( bearing in mind its winter so not as many people out, no music windows open) etc..ask someone who lives there what its like....

My road is quite bad op, but there is no where to sort of hang round to cause trouble, so a house may have trouble...but its contained....or people coming through may cause trouble but its not contained as it might be on a housing estate....

Also having lived and breathed and nearly gone utterly mad from awful awful neighbours....I would be doing all above very thoroughly....and thinking about what I was giving up...seriously.

Your home is supposed to be your refuge your safe place....when it turns out its not the stress and fear and issues it leads to are hard to describe...

WillBeatJanuaryBlues · 16/01/2015 13:24

managed to kick out the anti-social types, who were surprisingly few, but it made all the difference.

The key thing to bear in mind...only takes a few to make lives of so many utterly awful

WillBeatJanuaryBlues · 16/01/2015 13:25
  • WitchesGlove Fri 16-Jan-15 01:40:44

I agree but it should be extended across the board.

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