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Too resign over this

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natureplantar101 · 21/12/2014 11:54

So yesterday I got my christmas rota at work and I only have 23rd and 25th off then at work all week my boss had promised me 4 days off 23rd- 27th but looking at his rota he has taken my holidays for himself and hes off for 7 days this isn't the first time he has done something like this 2 months ago he refused to let me book 2 weeks holiday off even though I was entitled to them and asked well im advance of when I wanted them WWYD

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marriednotdead · 22/12/2014 06:32

You can reduce your availability MrsGeorgeMichael.
As others have said, they can refuse holiday requests but not unpaid time off.
I am on a zero hour contract which suits me most of the time. I say how many/ which days I'm available to work generally and they schedule accordingly.
We had a different manager before who wasn't always reasonable. I went to see them last year mid November (after I'd been on leave) to say I wanted the two days before Christmas off and was told it was too late, too many other people had booked it off.
I simply stated that I wasn't asking for holiday, I was telling them that I was unavailable for two specific dates, the rotas were not up yet, and I was giving them over a months notice. They weren't happy but knew that they didn't have a leg to stand on.

The only risk you take in this situation is that a spiteful manager will give you less or no shifts. I've found that if you are flexible- eg willing to swap or cover if someone goes sick, then the company are pretty accommodating. I realize not all of them are like that though.

ajandjjmum · 22/12/2014 06:41

Can you not just remind your boss that he agreed your time off, and that you've made arrangement accordingly?

AMerryScot · 22/12/2014 07:06

You are 21, been in the company for a very short time. You are at the bottom of the totem pole. You have to just suck it up.

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natureplantar101 · 22/12/2014 07:30

i can just refuse the hours and shifts i don't don't want

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pressone · 22/12/2014 07:37

So refuse the hours and shifts you don't want to do over Xmas then, but be prepared to not be given any more work by the company.

You have to decide what is more important to you - Christmas off, or your job, and who is going to support you if you are not given any more work because of the choice you have made - DP/parents - don't they get a say in this?

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natureplantar101 · 22/12/2014 08:01

what parents ? and DP woukd support me which he is happy to do

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Mrscog · 22/12/2014 08:05

It's rubbish management, but then you see it all the time, don't phone in sick, I would approach your manager about it after Christmas - be calm but assertive, say you'd made plans to go away as you'd agreed 23-27th, and you had to completely rearrange them, and ask what procedure he's going to draw up in the future to ensure it doesn't happen with anyone else as it could have been a disaster.

Then start job hunting - you don't have to stay a year to look good, but you do have to find something else to go to first.

Llareggub · 22/12/2014 08:22

You really don't need to stay the year, but it is easier to find a job when you are in a job.

FoodPorn · 22/12/2014 08:24

Refuse the hours. If you are zero hours you can't be sacked because of that, right? I certainly wouldn't work them if the time off had been agreed in advance... or anyway actually, if I was zero hours. Don't give them the cake and let them eat it too!!

GingerSkin · 22/12/2014 08:40

Option 1 refuse the hours as per contract. Benefit is you have Xmas with DP. Drawback is boss could make life difficult by either not offering further hours (but remaining employed) or attempting to end employment (for whatever illegal reason he choses) You'd have little rights due to your length of service

Option 2 work the hours and make no fuss or raise that you are disappointed with being given all shifts. Benefits: more money for you over Xmas, no drama, more shifts likely given in the future. Drawbacks: you may be shit on in the future and have a similar scenario to this Xmas

option 3 resign. Benefits: you'd leave a company that appears to be treating you badly. Drawbacks: you should give notice; not that the company can do a lot if you don't but for reference purposes it would be prudent to.

Personally, I'd refuse the work. Your employment continues, you've lost nothing other than money.

artyone · 22/12/2014 09:02

I'd resign. I've had short jobs in the past and have had no problem finding work since. But I'm the sort of person who refuses to waste my life doing something I hate, unless I really have to.
In a year, what will you regret more? resigning or working at Christmas?

sonjadog · 22/12/2014 09:12

I don't think you should resign. You DP is right that you need to build a good employment record. Do your shifts and after Christmas start looking for something new. It's okay to change jobs after a short while as long as you don't do it for every job you have. Hopefully the next one will be better and then you can be there for a year or two. As others say, it is easier to get a job when you are already in one. So start looking and quit when the new job is lined up.

First jobs are often shit. I know mine was, as were those of most of my friends. I think those who walk into a great position in their first job are the lucky few. But it does get better. With more experience you are more attractive on the job market and you will also be more aware of what sort of job you should go for and what you should avoid.

Cabrinha · 22/12/2014 09:20

Don't resign, but do use your zero hours contract to refuse the shifts. If you don't get any more hours, it easily looks like a zero hours contract stint for the busy Xmas run up, just a temp job.
If you're otherwise a good member of staff and manager isn't spiteful, you'll pick up more hours again after.

I'm a bit at how often you've mentioned your boyfriend having a hand in the decision. It's your decision. We all like to bounce things off our partners - but it comes across like he's making the decision here. You're 21, make the decision yourself.

Ketchuphidestheburntbits · 22/12/2014 13:06

I'd resign over this. Being honest, having 4 months or a year's experience in this type of job won't make any difference to getting something similar in the new year.

In future make sure that all holiday is agreed in writing.

Namechangeyetagaintohide · 22/12/2014 13:19

Just refuse to work them. Zero hours work both ways.

youareallbonkers · 22/12/2014 13:21

resign if you like, it's up to you. It would be extremely foolish though without another job to go to but hey ho

notme23 · 22/12/2014 13:26

I'd do as a previous poster suggested, if you're not worried about losin your job anyway, either phone in sick or tell them you can't work those days, it had already been agreed for you to have those days off verbally with the boss and you have plans that cannot be changed.

Cabrinha · 22/12/2014 15:34

I don't think that, with a zero hours contract and 4 months service, it's worth phoning in sick. It's an obvious lie. I always feel sorry for those genuinely unwell at Xmas!

If there would be petty repercussions did refusing the shifts - which you're allowed to do - then you'd get the same for obviously going sick.

In fact, you look more reliable if you say no, I can't work, than if you agree it then don't show. And whilst ultimately I'd be selfish, it's not fair on your colleagues to lie about being sick, so even less notice.

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