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Angry man on train!

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ToT0 · 06/12/2014 12:31

I just wanted to gage opinion on this one. I realise I can be a bit over sensitive at times so I'm not sure if I'm overreacting.

Apologies it's also a bit long! I did also find the whole situation a bit scary so I'd also be interested to get other people's thoughts on how they would have handled this situation in case something like this happens again.

Last night I went to an evening work event. I live about a half hour train ride out of town and took a commuter train back at the end of the evening.

The train was crowded but I got a seat. I'd had a long, tiring week at work and just started quietly reading a book and relaxing. Just before the train was about to depart a crowd of people jumped on and a middle aged man came and sat next to me. He had clearly had a few drinks and was a bit loud and jolly. I wouldn't have at immediately thought he was very drunk though.

He was having a bit of banter with another man who had got a seat a few rows down who looked like he was his friend - although I wasn't sure. A group of about six middle aged women also ran on at the same time. They all seemed a bit tipsy and appeared to have been at a separate work do.
Some sat in neighbouring seats and stood in the gangways. I sat quietly reading my book and was vaguely aware the man was talking to the women.

At one point I realised they were all staring at me and laughing.
I looked up and the man said he wanted me to stand up so one of the group of women in the gangway could have my seat. He said this was because he wanted to sit next to her. He didn't say this in a bantering or jokey way. It seemed quite aggressive and rude.

The woman didn't look obviously infirm and didn't seem of desperate need of sitting down. So I calmly said that if he thought the lady needed to sit, he could perhaps give up his own seat as there were no others free.

The man then launched an angry rant at me saying repeatedly I was 'stupid' and a 'snob'. The whole carriage was silent apart from the women who seemed to be egging him on, giggling as the man raged on at me.
I have never experienced anything like it before.
It was as though he went from 0 to 160mph in the space of a second, in terms of aggression.

My heart was pounding but I did my best to speak calmly and assertively. I said wasn't sure why he was shouting at me as I'd just been quietly reading my book. He shouted loudly at me several times 'to shut the fuck up' and said repeatedly that I was 'stupid'. He said that 'everyone around me was laughing and joking and I was sitting reading my book because I was a stupid snob'.

What horrified me the most was that of the whole packed carriage not a single person intervened. The women just sat laughing during his entire unprovoked 5 minute rant. I felt as though I was cornered by these people - I was sitting next to the window and I would have had to slide across him to change seats.

My phone was out of battery and I felt a bit threatened. I felt the only way of stopping it escalating further was to try and disarm him. So I smiled at him. I apologised if I had inadvertently offended him but said I hadn't realised he had been trying to involve me in a conversation. He then did calm down, admitted he had had 'a few drinks at a work do' and started apologising profusely to me and shook my hand.

He said his friend, who at no point had intervened, was a policeman. He said he had what seemed to be quite a good job and then started doling out career advice to me! I was very vague about my actual job. When he got off the train with his friend, the previously silent women started being nice to me, saying things like. 'I bet you're relieved he's got off..!' 'Don't worry we heard and saw everything!'

I was shaking though as soon as I got off the train I burst into tears.
From the information he gave me it's probably quite possible to track him down. Should I just notch it up to experience - he did apologise after all? Or should I speak to the police or possibly even his employer? If they're letting staff get into that kind of state at work events shouldn't they be made aware of the impact?

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claig · 06/12/2014 13:50

You handled it brilliantly. Well done.
This was pure genius and totally disarmed him and deescalated the situation.

"I felt the only way of stopping it escalating further was to try and disarm him. So I smiled at him. I apologised if I had inadvertently offended him but said I hadn't realised he had been trying to involve me in a conversation."

Bambambini · 06/12/2014 13:53

We had some teenage kids being obnoxious and quite aggressive on a busy commuter train recently. Slapping and punching at each other, shouting and sweating and jumping about and pushing each other. No-one said anything then either. I was concerned when one tried to pick a fight and intimidate 3 other unconnected teenage boys but luckily it didn't escalate.

Feel free to report it to the railway police - pigs like that really infuriate me.

ChickenMe · 06/12/2014 14:00

Report to BTP. 0800 40 50 40. There may be CCTV on the train and if not if you know where he got on/off they could still trace him. He'd be distinctive as with a group.
Write down what happened, times and a good description of the parties so it sticks in your mind. Write down how it made you feel too.
Police should certainly record that as a crime-at the very least railway byelaws -you can barely fart on the railway without contravening them-but it sounds like a public order offence.
As for not intervening it's the "bystander effect". The more bystanders the less likely someone will assist.

ToT0 · 06/12/2014 14:07

Thanks for all the comments. Have called British Transport Police's non emergency number and made a report. Not sure if anything will come of it but it might help in future if he tries something similar with someone else.

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AuntieMaggie · 06/12/2014 14:31

british transport police have a number you can text to report incidents here

Laquitar · 06/12/2014 14:37

Just a very small tip: when you travell alone and it is late evening with people coming out of pubs etc it is better to sit by the corridor not by the window. That way if you dont like the person who sits next to you you can get up easily and move.

There are many idiots around. He sounds like a bully and show off. I hope he is on the camera.

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stayanotherday · 06/12/2014 19:22

That's awful. I was on the train and a drunk middle aged lady was abusing two quiet and polite teenage girls. I shouted at the woman and told her enough was enough. In fairness another man had tried to defuse it. When the guard came I reported her and he intervened. The girls thanked me.

Flexly · 06/12/2014 19:25

Report him. I had a nasty incident the tube last week, some idiot body slammed me as he took a running leap into the carriage as the doors were closing. He literally knocked me off my feet onto the floor. When I asked him what the hell he was doing, he ranted at me 'stupid f'ing bitch you shouldn't have been stood near the door...' And continued to shout at me for 3 stops. No one intervened apart from someone asking him to mind his language.. I feel for you, it's horrible and bullies should never be allowed to get away with that sort of behaviour!

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Iliveinalighthousewiththeghost · 06/12/2014 21:42

Oh .O.P. Poor u hope you're feeling better. Report the nasty bullying wanker. Brave man picking on a women. If a man stood up to him he'd uncountably shit himself. Don't worry O.P, he'll say something to the wrong person one day!.

LilMissSunshine9 · 06/12/2014 22:22

Shame on everyone just sitting their quietly and letting that man speak to you like that. A few weeks back I was on a morning commute so everyone is clearly sober, it was packed and this older lady started having a panic attack. I was standing in the aisle and someone asked if they would give up their seat for her, eventually two women did so her and her husband could sit and calm her down.

On the other side of the aisle to this lady a bloke starts a really loud conversation to a girl next to him (was a stranger to him) about how he would never give his seat up and he didn't care if someone was ill etc. that people shouldn't get on the train then. It was so mortifying esp since the lady having the panic attack could hear - so I spoke out and asked him that whilst he is entitled to his opinion it would be considerate to lower his voice. Just got a load of abuse back about how I should butt out and then made a big scene about asking the lady standing next to me if she would like his seat as he was getting off at the next stop. What an arse he was.

Littleturkish · 06/12/2014 22:34

Definitely report to his company. What an idiot. No one deserves to be spoken to like that- so what you didn't hear him?! What a prick to shout at you like that. Totally out of order.

expatinscotland · 07/12/2014 00:43

I'd report to BTP AND contact his employer. Abusive, foul-mouthed arsehole. Fuck forgetting about it.

thewavesofthesea · 07/12/2014 01:25

A very similar thing happened to me recently. I was trying to do some work quietly on my tablet and some drunk men came and sat down next to me, started talking to me then launched into some tirade about how I sounded too posh, I'm a snob etc. I just sat there and looked the other way. Got a bit took much when he then started to invite me into the toilets with him 'for a good time'
I complained to the train company; they advertised widely they had CCTV and it would have been clear to see they were harassing me, but no-one intervened. Not one person in the carriage with me intervened either. Cheers for that. (There was a table of business men on the next table; I was a young (ish!) woman by myself...)!

The train guard did see them messing around obviously drunk, and did nothing except joke around with them!!

I got a long letter of apology and a £15 voucher for the next time I travel. Not quite sure I want to!!

Lucyandpoppy · 07/12/2014 03:16

Yanbu, sounds like you coped with the situation really well, what an idiot he was though!

londonrach · 07/12/2014 09:00

Report and well done for handling it. In defence of the others on the train i bet they were scared and felt you were dealing with it well. I do think his employers need to know as hes returning from a works do, but thats up to the police. Hope you ok now x

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