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To think cyclists should allow cars to overtake them?

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Twitterqueen · 01/12/2014 17:59

If you're cycling and you know a car is behind you and wants to overtake, should you let them / facilitate the overtake or deliberately refuse and shout 'wait' at the car? When the road ahead is straight and clear for well over half a mile, when the car has been patiently waiting for a safe, straight stretch, there is no other traffic but the road is just that little bit too narrow for the car to want to do it without some kind of affirmation from the cyclist, ie stop pedaling for a few seconds and move a bit closer into the side of the road?

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VivaLeBeaver · 03/12/2014 13:57

But I do get that a flag can be missed more easily than an actual person/bike as its smaller. I'm always ready to slam the brakes on near driveways or parked cars. And I don't think I'd want to go through a city on it.

anotherbloodycyclist · 03/12/2014 14:04

Oh Willkommen, of course Viva isn't a cyclist! What is she then? A pedestrian? A motorist? I'd love to know your definition?

This thread is so depressing. I live in London. I commute on my bike 80 miles a week to work, and drive my car. I'm that (not unusual) hybrid of cyclist and driver. One informs the other. When I'm cycling to work I don't expect cars to pull over and let me past. When I'm in my car I don't expect cyclists to get out of my way. I see idiot cyclists and idiot drivers.

The only way to solve this is not through some ridiculous legislation that removes all cyclist from zone 1 (Really? What about wheelchairs on pavements? Buggies with babies getting in the way? All those other irritating sets of wheels that may slow down your journey?). It's about educating cyclists and drivers. I'll happily don a numberplate. And whilst we're at it why not add a bolt on to the driving test to educate drivers about cyclists, make all HGV's fit 360 degree cameras, and built some properly segregated cycle lanes.

Central London congestion is nothing to do with cyclists. It's sheer volume of traffic. I've lived here for over 20 years and have never managed to "zip" across town in my car. So I'm afraid I won't get the tube or bus. I'll stick to my bike, thanks. No emissions. No cost. Immeasurable health benefits. Just the odd dodgy driver to contend with.

Can't help but wonder how many of the cyclist-haters on here have children with bikes...

Legionofboom · 03/12/2014 14:08

With regards to tractors, my brother used to be a farmer and he absolutely hated having to take the tractors on the roads.

He said that the risks that drivers would take to get past him when they couldn't see, overtaking on a corner etc were terrifying. He never had to go more than a couple of miles on the road either so it wasn't as if he had long tailbacks behind him. He also always avoided busy times if possible. But some people just couldn't wait.

Some people have no patience.

DarkBlueEyes · 03/12/2014 14:23

This thread has depressed the living day lights out of me. I cycle, sometimes. I drive more than I cycle. When cycling, on my retro ladies bike with a basket, I try to keep,left and pull,over where possible. I never go through red lights. I cycle On Cycle lanes where possible and get off and walk when I have to cross on a pedestrian crossing. I make eye contact with people. I wave and smile when they let me in. And despite all that, while keeping left down a one way street by school, a guy in a massive landrover passed me in such a way that his wing mirror was centimetres away from my
Shoulder. I nearly wet myself with fright. So I decided to take the middle line to avoid being knocked over.

Then a week later, a twat tooted at me to pull over when there was about 20m to go to an intersection, and where I was going to pull right to walk on the pavement to the crossing. IMHO there wasn't room for him to,pass so I stuck my arm out in a "wait" gesture. He was perhaps 20 seconds away from the intersection. He wound down his window and screamed abuse at me, surprising the builder working on a house nearby. I'm afraid I wasn't very ladylike and told him it wasn't safe and he needed to learn to share the road. There was so much more I'd like to have said.... If I'd been in my car, he'd have had to have waited just as long, so why behave like that?

This kind of behaviour makes me drive more often. Which means there is one more car on the road, which means more traffic and slower journey times for cars. I find it extraordinary that drivers have not worked out that the more cyclists use the road, the less road traffic, fewer cars=faster journey times!

OP. Pleàse please please don't pass unless you can give the cycle a wide berth. They might most wobble with fright under your wheels. Gaining 10 seconds of time, is it worth another person's life?

frankbough · 03/12/2014 14:23

Cyclist are a vulnerable road user, so it's common sense to give them a bit of room, don't tail gate and you'll be on your way soon.. I'm lucky I get to cycle on some relatively traffic free roads, although once I get back to civilization a near miss or two is a regular occurrence, I wouldn't mind but on some of my journey I can hit well above 40 mph and on the flat around 20 mph..
Watching the you tube videos of London it's obvious there is a problem between road users and it's not somewhere I'd like to cycle..

Chopstheduck · 03/12/2014 15:12

DarkBlueEyes, it sounds a bit like you could use some confidence building on a bike. Check out Breeze rides near you, they are great fun! If you do ride too close to the gutter, cars will often push past, simply because they can. If you ride further out, they can't overtake you until it is clear to do so and give you space.

VivaLeBeaver, I've always been slightly perplexed by recomberants! Aren't they horrifically difficult to power? I've never tried a real one, only gym recomberants and it was really hard work!

I have three bikes. I think dh would have a fit if I wanted any more. Though maybe one day, I can have a tri bike!

PiratePanda · 03/12/2014 15:28

I haven't cycled since I was coming down a steep bridge on a narrow but busy road in a very cycle-friendly city....and a driver coming in the opposite direction swung over onto the wrong side of the road into my lane and turned right across me. I woke up in the ambulance.

Sure, some cyclists are arseholes. But they are unlikely to put you in hospital with a head injury, a broken sternum and several broken ribs. And that was wearing a helmet.

VivaLeBeaver · 03/12/2014 15:28

chops. Its slightly different muscle groups. I really regretted it when I first got it as couldn't cycle as far but after 500 miles I'd got my "bent legs". I now probably couldn't go as far on an upright as I can on a recumbent.

Hills are a bugger though. Its fast as anything downhill but murder uphill. I try and stick to flat routes!

WillkommenBienvenue · 03/12/2014 15:35

So I'm afraid I won't get the tube or bus. I'll stick to my bike, thanks. No emissions. No cost. Immeasurable health benefits.

If everyone in London had this attitude this there would be gridlock.

VivaLeBeaver · 03/12/2014 15:40

Ha ha. If everyone in London had that attitude and biked to work there would be the opposite of gridlock because there wouldn't be any cars.

GemmaWella81 · 03/12/2014 15:40

Lol... Gridlock...

You do and half chat shit sometimes...

GemmaWella81 · 03/12/2014 15:41

Not at you Viva Wink

PanISAButterfly · 03/12/2014 15:43

Come on Willko - entertain us. How would any city be 'gridlocked' by people riding their bikes, rather than driving a car.

VivaLeBeaver · 03/12/2014 15:43

Obviously. Wink

KidLorneRoll · 03/12/2014 15:43

Bike, not car.

Bikes in cities are not a cause of congestion, no matter how many times you say it does. Telling that not a single person agrees with you, dontchathink?

Chopstheduck · 03/12/2014 16:13

Wouldn't it be lovely, no cars...just bikes!

Would love to give it a go, viva. I bet downhills are amazing, especially knowing you have three wheels on the ground and aren't at any risk of tipping off on a pot hole!

listed · 03/12/2014 16:27

I can't remember if he had a flag to be honest, I was probably too shocked to register it.

But I know I was edging out very slowly and carefully because I know visibility is poor, so I would have had my eyes on stalks iyswim.

limitedperiodonly · 03/12/2014 16:47

Wouldn't it be lovely, no cars...just bikes!

Though I'm cycle-friendly, I'd hate that chopstheduck.

We should share the roads - drivers, cyclists, horseriders and pedestrians.

I used to drive a lot but these days I use public transport or walk.

I'm always amused by the cyclists or drivers who give me a shocked look when I look over my shoulder before crossing in front of them.

Am I being polite? Yes. I also don't want to die.

Sometimes I could swear that they were about to swear at me for not looking but are disappointed to have to think: 'Oh, thanks for looking before crossing and smiling at me too. You robbed me of the chance of shouting at you. Drat.'

amicissimma · 03/12/2014 17:00

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WillkommenBienvenue · 03/12/2014 17:48

How would any city be 'gridlocked' by people riding their bikes, rather than driving a car.

Pan - I said the city would be gridlocked if everyone refused to use public transport like the PP said she refused to use bus or tube.

Sorry if that's not entertaining enough for you

Of course roads should be for all vehicles, but in London we could get into a situation very rapidly of having more cyclists than we have space for. A bike doesn't save as much road space as everyone thinks because there is only ONE person on a bike. A car can fit 5 or more people and buses fit 50 plus in the space that about 6 bikes takes up. Added to the fact that they slow down traffic considerably at lights (in a way that motorbikes don't) it is a fairly selfish mode of transport in London when the nearest tube station is never more than 5 or 10 minutes walk away.

anotherbloodycyclist · 03/12/2014 19:39

Willko, I fail to see how me not using the bus or tube would gridlock the city! I rode back this evening, had a good look in most of the cars. They may indeed seat 5 but the majority have one lone commuter in them, stuck in a huge jam as I whizz past them at the lights. I'm not holding anyone up. What's actually holding them up is the bumper to bumper traffic that stretches out into zone 3. The "selfish" mode of transport if you're looking for one is surely the twats who decide to take their cars into central London, one of whom was in the bike square at the lights tonight (illegally), and felt the need to wind down his window and call me a c**t for pulling up alongside him (legally, the one bit of the road reserved for me).

His choice though, if he wants to sit in traffic, pay the congestion charge and pollute the environment, then fair do's. It's a free country and all that (except in the strange parallel universe that you seem to inhabit). I'd rather get a bit of fresh air and home in half the time.

merrymouse · 03/12/2014 19:40

I think the idea is you could take up even less space if you squeezed onto a tube…

Grin
merrymouse · 03/12/2014 19:42

(Or maybe you could run, but with a really short stride and keeping your arms well tucked in…)

anotherbloodycyclist · 03/12/2014 19:51

Given her splendid form on this thread and her sound logic she will no doubt think the compressed running is the way forward. Or perhaps a folding Brompton with me folded up inside...

WillkommenBienvenue · 03/12/2014 20:02

I fail to see how me not using the bus or tube would gridlock the city!#

It's not all about you. It's about the population of London. If 50 bus passengers magicked into 50 cyclists there would definitely be gridlocked.

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