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AIBU to ask for advice on this complaint by the neighbours?

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Smythe77 · 28/11/2014 04:03

I've been renting my present flat for almost a year now and been loving it. The only blemish in this experience has been some complaints by the downstairs neighbours about a leak into their flat from my bathroom.

They have claimed that the leak has damaged the walls and roof of their bedroom. I've seen the pictures they've shown me and from what I could see they were very minor stains. Nonetheless, as soon as they complained to me I got in touch with my landlord and requested him to send someone overt to address the issue. I also gave the neighbours his contact details in case they needed to speak to him directly. I did everything I could to help.

The landlord sent someone over to seal around my bathtub and he said this should fix the issue. Apparently it didn't fix the problem for my neighbours. Instead of coming back to say that issue wasn't fixed, the neighbours went straight to the environmental health council and filed a complaint. I was given no warning about this.

Just as I was leaving for work one morning, a person from the council knocked at my door and demanded to be let in. I asked what this was for and explained that I was on my way to a meeting that I couldn't afford to be late for. I had been given no prior notice about this visit and no efforts had been made to arrange a mutually convenient time. I was told I didn't have a choice but to let him in and allow him to inspect the property. I was subsequently 45 minutes late to work that day. I missed the meeting and had to face an extremely unhappy boss. Should clarify that I live alone and don't have anyone living in the flats adjacent to mine so couldn't have asked a flat mate or neighbour to let the council representative in and stay through the visit.

A legal notice was served on my landlord to conduct the repairs necessary within 21 days. So he sent a plumber over who replaced the plumbing in the bathroom. Again, as I live alone with no family in the city and all my friends working full time, I had to take time off work to supervise the repairs. The repairs also meant I couldn't take a shower for 3 days.

After these repairs there were no more complaints for a while so we assumed that the issue was fixed.

However, a letter was delivered few days back stating that the council wanted to come back and check if everything was actually fixed. I immediately contacted the person on the letter to arrange a mutually convenient time. I explained that I live alone, work from 9 to about 6:30 or 7 ( yes, I know these are long hours ) and don't have family in the city to let them in in my absence. So I said that they could come on a weekday before 9 (with notice so that I could make sure I wasn't late to work) or on any weekend that I was in town. I was happy for them to come after 6 as well, but I realise they don't work those hours.

The gentleman I spoke to was very rude to me and not understanding at all. I'm new to this city and I can't help my work hours or the fact that I don't know anybody else who could let them in.
My landlord lives in a different city and not particularly helpful so he isn't going to be coming to town just to let them in.

Anyway, the next day I got a call from the council to say that they weren't going to come for an inspection. Instead they issued a new warning over the phone. They said that the neighbours had now advised that the issue still wasn't fixed so he wouldn't come over to confirm repairs. And this is when things got so horrible that I was literally in tears. He said he didn't care about my problems and threatened to force entry into the flat and send his repairmen over to conduct repairs. This made me especially stressed because I'm going to be away for Christmas holidays and I don't want strangers in my house while I'm gone. I also don't want to be in a situation where I have to take time off work to have this resolved. I completely understand my neighbours have a problem and I want to fix it too, but I am feeling stressed and anxious as a result of this constant chasing and these threats. I get calls during work hours and they last for half an hour because it's hard to communicate with the people who are assigned this case. It's interfering with my ability to concentrate at work. And when they call, They don't let me speak or explain at all, they keep talking over me.

As things stand, I'm stressed and extremely panicked. I don't have much legal knowledge so would appreciate any advice that I can get.

Can they actually force entry and send strangers into my flat without my consent to conduct repairs? What would my recourse be? And am I entitled to notice before they do this?

I'm also very concerned about the repairs taking long. It's obviously terrible to not be able to take a shower or use the bathroom for a prolonged period of time. The three days I couldn't shower or use my bathroom last time were miserable. It appears that this time the repairs will take even longer and this is really not good news because it means I won't have a functional bathroom for possibly a week or more.

I'm also not in a position to cancel my holiday plans but I'm very hesitant to leave my flat alone and go away for fear of what might happen in my absence.

Any advice or guidance on what I can do is appreciated.

OP posts:
Binkybix · 28/11/2014 08:52

You sound really stressed - I know housing stuff can be very stressful, but try not to let it overwhelm you.

ApocalypseNowt · 28/11/2014 08:53

You need to stop dealing with this. You are in a rented property so it is not your problem, it is your landlord's. Refer everything to him.

LineRunner · 28/11/2014 08:54

Have you written formally to the Council with your landlord's contact details? Or emailed Environmental Health? And insisted they deal directly with him at all times?

Then it's your landlord's responsibility to keep you informed about visits etc.

Personally I'd complain about landlord and/or move.

deeedeee · 28/11/2014 08:57

You're all being very harsh. This is the landlord's issue to resolve, not the tenant. Go to citizen's advice any the or phone shelter's helpline

LineRunner · 28/11/2014 09:07

deeedeee, useful link.

starfishmummy · 28/11/2014 09:08

There's no point in making any suggestions to you because you are full of excuses.
You really are hard work.

FunkyBoldRibena · 28/11/2014 09:14

you need to refer them to the landlord in every instance.

Jessica85 · 28/11/2014 10:26

I agree with others - it is the landlord's issue to deal with. Unless, that is, you as insistent that you must be there whenever there is work being done. Many people work jobs where they can't just take time off whenever they want / need, so you are not being unreasonable in that. However, it is not necessary to supervise work. Its not nice having strangers in your home when you aren't there, but sometimes there is no choice.

rallytog1 · 28/11/2014 10:32

It's your landlord's responsibility to deal with this, and they should be there to supervise work, not you.

If your landlord wants you to supervise the work they should negotiate this with you and you could expect to be compensated for lost pay or get a rebate on your rent.

wowfudge · 28/11/2014 10:44

Right - let's clear a couple of things up: readers can only go off what you have posted. The way you have described what has been going on reads as though you don't believe the neighbours - they 'claim' the leak has caused damage, 'minor stains', etc. It's very much as though they are out to be difficult towards you rather than they are suffering a serious problem which, though not your fault, is coming from the flat you live in.

You have been obstructive because you only offered early morning times, or after 6pm or weekends when you are in town for an inspection visit - none of those are normal working hours. If that had been me, I'd have contacted the LL and asked him to sort it directly with them and be there himself to give them access.

But the crux of the issue, as many pps have stated, is that it is your Landlord who you should be upset with - not your neighbours and not the council's EH employees: he needs to damn well step up and deal with things. EH wouldn't be using enforcement proceedings if he were co-operating and because you are in situ, they are contacting you.

You are being advised to move because your LL is proving to be crap: so what if he is in another town? It's his flat, his responsibility. If I were in your shoes I'd be playing merry hell with him over it and requesting a reduction in the rent for the hassle you are getting. And I have been a LL. If it's so stressful then don't answer the phone to EH when you are at work. Tell them they are warning the wrong person as you don't have the power to fix the problem.

What have you got in your flat that you are so precious about? There has to be an element of trust - council employees and contractors will be well used to working in and respecting other people's homes: I don't get why you seem to think everyone is out to make your life difficult when you're not exactly helping yourself.

HairStylistToBoris · 28/11/2014 10:47

I have no advice on getting your landlord to step up and deal with this but on the issue of having workmen come into your house when you are not there - this is just something third of us who work full time have to get used to. I ask for early appointments so I can let people in then go to work. You just have to trust them and if something goes wrong go straight back to the employees to ask what happened. I've hated leaving keys for work men / women but it's something that I've had to learn to do.

puntasticusername · 28/11/2014 10:53

Crikey, starfishmummy - harsh! Towards an OP who is clearly pretty stressed out by this situation!

OP, as said above - this is your landlord's issue, not yours. Refer everyone to him, broken record technique. I can see that's difficult if he's so reluctant to take responsibility, but atm you seem to be running yourself ragged worrying about all the things he should be worrying about!

DayLillie · 28/11/2014 11:01

Agreed it is the landlords responsibility and he is not doing what he should.

Seek advice from the Shelter helpline above and CAB too, as soon as possible, about how to deal with the council and the landlord.

It sounds very stressful.

You may have to consider moving out Sad

Littleturkish · 28/11/2014 11:09

Every time they call you, give them your landlord's number and hang up the phone!

They cannot harass you if they can't speak to you.

DayLillie · 28/11/2014 11:13

It is possible that the council were sending information about visits to the landlord when they turned up unannounced on the doorstep.

Maybe it is worth being proactive and contacting them to discuss the situation, whilst they are not in the process of gaining access (after advice from Shelter and CAB) and clarifying what they are doing. It all sounds very confusing.

MidniteScribbler · 28/11/2014 11:28

Those of us who own our homes still have to take time off work, wait to do work in the Hidatsa, make arrangements with friend/family, or trust tradespeople to work unsupervised. Homes need maintenance, and you obstructing that process could lead to longer delays, more damage, and further expenses.

HowMuchMoreWee · 28/11/2014 11:33

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UnrelatedToElephants · 28/11/2014 11:38

Your landlord is responsible for this - you are not. Please redirect them to the landlord. He's the one who should be waiting in for inspections, workmen, etc and liaising with the council - you're not.

jasper · 28/11/2014 11:40

give the council a key
problem solved

Chippednailvarnish · 28/11/2014 11:41

You are making a lot of excuses OP...

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 28/11/2014 11:48

I too think this is the landlords issue. I would write to the council and let them know his address. I would also forward all communication on the matter to your landlord. If they phone you, politely give them your landlords details and then disengage.

Unless you have a weird tenancy agreement it is not your place to deal with repairs, and supervise work on a property that is not yours.

cricketpitch · 28/11/2014 11:50

OP - I think this is horrible ofr you and I think some PP are being hard on you.

You have had advice to talk to both shelter and CAB - they might be able to help.

I would write to your neighbours giving them the Landlord's contact details. Copy in to him. Explain that you want to get the problem fixed.

Same for the Council - explain that you are a tenant and that they must deal with the landlord.

The landlord will have an agent or a trusted friend/employee who could wait in.

Longer term - look to move. Good luck

starfishmummy · 28/11/2014 11:58

Exactly Chipped. The op has an excuse for every sensible suggestion that has been made. I suspect she wont be happy unless the council/neighbours leave her alone.

sparechange · 28/11/2014 11:58

Do you let your flat through an agency?
If so, get them to help. But agree with what others have said.
Your landlord needs to sort this out, and needs to be the one taking time off to supervise any inspections. You shouldn't be doing it, but equally, you shouldn't be over paranoid about people robbing you unless you are personally there to supervise the inspection.