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To be disappointed with Mumsnet for campaign for gender neutral books.

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raltheraffe · 21/11/2014 11:33

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2843801/Rapunzel-definitely-not-just-girls-says-publisher-announces-plans-make-children-s-books-gender-neutral.html

Apparently this all started with a MN campaign. What is so bad about books and toys for that matter that are biased towards one gender? I do not understand it at all.

I am donning my hard hat for this one, since it was people on here who came up with this daft campaign.

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Sallystyle · 23/11/2014 17:08

Ok, I have read this thread and no longer think it is a stupid campaign.

raltheraffe · 23/11/2014 17:36

Sorry to hear you are recovering from a migraine Lurcio.

It is not a case that I think it is "PC gorn mad" at all. I was very interested to hear that both yourself and Fuzzpig have struggled in childhood/adolescence due to your failure to conform to the stereotypical role of a female. That is something that rarely happened to me, but when it did it just spurred me on more to prove people wrong. I get something similar nowadays as a disabled person and I turn it into a positive. If someone tells me I cannot do X because I am disabled, I then go on a mission to prove them wrong. It does not upset me, it motivates me, I see it as someone laying down the gauntlet and I welcome the challenge.

I guess everyone is different though and thanks to your comment regarding yourself and Fuzzpig I am going to have a rethink about my stance on this in the next few hours.

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LurcioAgain · 23/11/2014 18:26

Thanks Ral - I'm glad to hear that (and very interested to hear your experiences in neuroscience). I suppose for me, it's the feeling that some people believe that if you have non gender-typical interests and behaviour patterns (I am about as far as the "Venus" stereotype in that dreadful book that you can imagine - possibly one reason why I so enjoyed reading Deborah Cameron's "The Myth of Mars and Venus") there is something wrong with you - you're not a proper woman, or you should have been a man, or something. Fortunately, these people are in a minority, but it still hurts.

And I really wish Simon Baron Cohen had labelled his two different brain types "systematising" and "empathising" rather than "male" and "female". I don't have a "male" brain, I have my brain, which happens to be one that is good at systematising (though actually I'm pretty good at relating to people too), and I am quite comfortable with the fact that I am a woman. (Which is not to detract from his very good work, and support of people like Gary McKinnon.) I suppose it's the mistake a lot of scientists make - they easily forget that words like "normal" and "typical" which they mean in a statistical sense have overtones of "normative" and "how things ought to be" to the lay person. (I am a research scientist in a politically contentious field - and my god, we worry loads about language and how it might be misinterpreted by the press and bloggers and politicians, because we have to, which I think makes me really sit up and notice when other scientists say things without realising how much scope their words have to be misinterpreted).

PragmaticMama · 03/03/2018 18:56

@TondelayoSchwarzkopf is right - it's not about changing the books, it's about taking off labels that suggest they're only ok for boys or girls.

It's also nuts just how many books have male characters - this article quotes some study saying only 31% of characters in kids books which seems crazy! Angry
www.theguardian.com/books/2011/may/06/gender-imbalance-children-s-literature
Anyone recommend any good bedtime stories with female characters?

ghostyslovesheets · 03/03/2018 19:01

@PragmaticMama

please stop bumping all the old threads

this one is from 2014

missiondecision · 03/03/2018 19:25

The issue is not lack of gender neutral toys, clothes, books.
The issue is the inability of some adults to accept that children can use whatever they like and enjoy no judgement or “boys don’t wear that!” type remarks.

missiondecision · 03/03/2018 19:25

Fgs I wish I had checked the date

PragmaticMama · 06/03/2018 16:51

@ghostylovesheets - sorry! Completely didn't notice, am new to this whole forum thing Blush

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