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was this the right thing to do re SIL and Christmas?

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arthriticToes · 17/11/2014 20:10

NC'd regular in case SIL reads this...

Background - DH and I live in a different country from our families, and have done for the last 15 years, since we each went away to uni. DH and i are academic types and are regarded as somewhat useless, socially and domestically, by our families - with some justification. We have never been any good at cooking for guests (we eat healthily, but not glamourously), entertaining (except our own friends) or polite smalltalk (except the sort we'd happily do with our own friends and colleagues).

DH's parents prefer eating out in very expensive restaurants, to home cooking; so on the extremely rare occasions I've had the opportunity to cook for them, they haven't liked it much (though they were very polite at the time). They regard DH having learnt to cook as a very amusing foible of his and seem to think it's because I won't let him eat out more often.

SIL is more down to earth about cooking vs eating out and nutrition vs. perfect entertaining; but she is herself a very good cook indeed, as well as a general domestic goddess type hostess, perfect modern mother of lovely children, has good career, is always wise and considered in her statements, groomed and polished, etc etc. In comparison I am a useless scruffy gobby ill-considered non-achiever in life, as is DH.

SIL has hosted Christmas with help from BIL, MIL and FIL and her FIL, every year since I have been on the scene. DH and I have always been banned from the kitchen, with a slight feeling that we're too useless to contribute anything. FIL contributes the carefully-chosen, exorbitantly-priced wine and always makes comments about the fact I don't drink and that DH doesn't drink more than a glass any more. SIL's FIL contributes expensive ingredients and makes comments about the fact we wouldn't be able to get stuff like caviar, quail's eggs, and gold leaf, on our salaries/where we live... We're also ushered out of the way re playing with the kids, also with the feeling that PIL and SIL and BIL all agree that we're likely to get it wrong so they should band together to prevent us messing everything up.

This year, SIL is hosting Christmas while being 39.5 weeks pregnant, with her 3 other kids aged 4 (twins) and 6. The envisaged Christmas is much as usual. To me this seems absolutely bonkers and masochistic for SIL.

I emailed her, ccing DH, to ask if she'd like us to do more generally, cook for her, shop for her, do WHATEVER to give her a bit of a break as (while of course we don't know from personal experience) she seems likely to actually want to put her feet up, by that stage of pregnancy.

However, there's been no answer, and I'm now worried that actually she will see this as me assuaging my own conscience by making empty offers that are so weak that she can't accept due to the likely outcome of terrible food/ lowered standards. Sad

What do you all wish your useless relatives would do to make your Christmases easier? (I don't think "not turn up in the country" is an acceptable option).

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MaryWestmacott · 17/11/2014 21:25

Sometimes with a large family gathering, it's just easier to go hide in the kitchen, particularly if you are used to doing big roast dinners (which is essentially what a christmas dinner is) and have preped most in advance.

I would be tempted to say you aren't going this year. Break the tradition and do your own thing.

Seriouslyffs · 17/11/2014 21:26

More fool her and the rest of them.
You sound lovely.
Although I'm usually firmly in the 'don't meet trouble half way' camp, I also had my only stand up shouty row with family when pregnant at Chriatmas. Blush and off the top of my head I can think of two other pregnant friends who also had major fall outs with in laws around to help in the last few days pre birth.
Offer to help again and prepare to beat a hasty retreat.
I really feel for you. Flowers

Icimoi · 17/11/2014 21:28

I don't see why you are doing this at all. Wouldn't you rather stay home and do Christmas however it suits you? They could always come to visit you if they want to see you.

Awks · 17/11/2014 21:34

She sounds like me - more than happy to be in the kitchen as the alternative annoying in laws (not you guys) is even less appealing

springydaffs · 17/11/2014 21:53

I must be very thin-skinned because I'd be extremely pissed off to be treated like a complete idiot by all and sundry. Why do you go along with it? ffs, you can't even be trusted to play with the kids?! And she's heavily pg (with 4yo twins ffs!!) and insisting on being super-goddess in full sail. completely barmy on all fronts.

But you seem to have happily accepted the 'total idiots who couldn't even peel a banana' labels. Why is that? yy you may be 'grungy', as you put it, but you're not morons, you can't possibly be. Or you'd be dead because you wouldn't be able to look after yourselves.

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MulderAndScully · 17/11/2014 22:58

What do you all wish your useless relatives would do to make your Christmases easier?

Be as nice and considerate as you. I would be delighted to receive a thoughtful email even acknowledging what I do each Christmas. An offer of help would floor me I think.

I don't think anyone is useless though, I'm sure you're not. Perhaps they're intimidated by your academic success and have to belittle you in some other way to make themselves feel better. Just a thought.

TheCraicDealer · 17/11/2014 23:01

Are you sure they see you as eejits and this is why you're "left out"? It could easily be that as you've travelled they don't want to put you out and want to treat you as guests rather than helpers. I know in my parents' house any help from xmas guests would be politely declined and said guest would be chased from the kitchen. And picking wine? Come on, that's a shit job you give to someone to keep them out from under your feet!

However as she'll be fit to burst this year now is the best time to make your stand. As soon as moves are made to gather plates after the meal is finished, get up and start bringing things into the kitchen. Start loading the dishwasher or scrapping plates. If she protests say, "SIL I can't sit and watch you run round after us, please, let me help".

Then if she shoos you off again you can return to your seat at the dining table with a clear conscience.

Marcelinewhyareyousomean · 17/11/2014 23:03

Go to the pub or see your family. Arrive just in time for dinner with whatever contribution you fancy.

arthriticToes · 18/11/2014 07:04

Thanks all. Sorted.

DH phoned SIL, made sure she realised the offer was genuine, she said it was all ok, she appreciated the offer, and we could definitely contribute stuff/ help with dishes and she'd let us know closer to the time, she wasn't planning to do it all herself this year and that she was glad to have the dynamic shift a bit away from what it's been like previously, and the lack of response was just because she was busy.

So best outcome all round really - our generation bands together to tell the older generation that things have changed, Sil gets a bit of a break. Win.

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WipsGlitter · 18/11/2014 07:14

Do you contribute financially to the day? Why not bring something like a F&M Christmas pudding and get some decent wine - assuming you can afford it.

Book panto tickets for the twins so you can take them off her hands. Bring them to see a film.

I agree with a pp that you seem to have accepted the role of duffers a bit.

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paddlenorapaddle · 18/11/2014 07:41

Sounds like family roles to me and if the family are over achievers by nature this may just be another competition

Go to waitrose or marks get the most yummy (expensive) desserts and nibbles you can find take those along don't ask permission then present them with some really nice flowers and bubble bath to SIL to say thank you for hosting

Drop a apron in your bag and absolutely insist on washing up tidying after dinner you don't have to accept being told to do anything by these people

Can you find an emergency alternative restaurant for Christmas dinner in case baby comes early ?

Failing that sit back and relax

EugenesAxe · 18/11/2014 07:45

I am a washing up pedant and get twitchy whenever anyone else does it. If she deigns to let you do it at the time, make her relax and be really happy to entrust it to you by following these rules:

Pre-wash all residue-laden items in hot, soapy water; half bowl should suffice
Get water to scalding temperature; gloves a necessity, don't use so much soap everything emerges covered in foam - add more later if necessary
Wash all glassware first
Leave originally greasy items until last; your water should still be very clean when you get to them
Ensure you apply pressure with a cloth to all surfaces of every item, especially outsides and rim of glasses, backs of plates, handles of mugs and children's vessels.

I am not particularly a domestic goddess in any other sense, but actually it surprises me how many people cannot wash up effectively.

Stripeeepyjamas · 18/11/2014 08:14

My MIL loves being the hostess and won't let guests do anything in the kitchen including washing up. I go along with it, keep the kids out of the kitchen and just bring in empty glasses etc and offer to help. If it's a no, I respect that. I wouldn't feel bad, it is fine as long as people don't call you lazy behind your back.

On the other hand it don't mind hostessing but I find it easier to manage when I am in complete control, especially something like Christmas. MIL won't accept no help required and actually really get under my feet. She won't stay out of the kitchen and keeps telling me how guilty she feels for not doing anything. I end up getting completely raffled trying to accommodate people who need to feel needed!

I would recommend just going along with whatever their plan is and offer to help but don't insist. if you don't like it and feel inadequate then make alternative plans. I'm sure with 3 kids including twins she knows her own capabilities and has a back up plan with husband if baby makes an early appearance.

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 18/11/2014 08:27

OMG inlaws can do nothing right on MN.

Invited for a lovely Christmas where you aren't suddenly expected to pay £50 per head to cover the hosts costs (thread from last year), or to somehow transport a homemade dessert course for 10 on an aeroplane.

Lovely, kind, competent SIL with assistance from two sets of parents hosts lovely Christmas.

And still some of the moaning 'I must be in charge at all times' MNers manage to find something wrong.

OP - none of the above is aimed at you Grin Have a lovely Christmas!

hellohelloididntseeyouthere · 18/11/2014 08:34

OP BUY ELEFUN AND PLAY IT WITH THE TWINS

skylark2 · 18/11/2014 08:35

My ILs are much more into fancy cooking than I am and wouldn't let me help.

I can wash up with the best of them, or peel sprouts, or chop an onion... there are stacks of jobs that nobody thinks you have to be a domestic goddess to get right.

I suspect she won't want you "taking over one thing" but might feel different about having a gofer.

Jux · 18/11/2014 09:57

She sounds like quite a few of my cousins! To them, this sort of thing seems to be second nature and causes them no hassle at all, it's just what they do.

Glad that you're being allowed to help a bit this year. There's littleworse than feeling like a spare p...k at a wedding even if no-one else sees you like that.

arthriticToes · 18/11/2014 19:26

Thanks again for all the advice. Good to know my level of obsessiveness over washing up is shared by others Grin

The discussion between DH and SIL established that we don't actually enjoy being useless and would really like to help, and that SIL is happy for us to help but hadn't been seething with resentment at us in previous years either. As we'd never managed to get that point across successfully before, yes, we had kind of accepted the role of useless eejits. Though as said above, it has a lot to do with family roles.

Re contributing financially - traditionally, no, we wouldn't contribute financially to the meal, though we'd obviously buy the nicest presents we could afford (and then politely ignore SIL's FIL's comments about us not being able to afford what the kids actually want Hmm). Our salaries are very significantly smaller than everyone else's at the Christmas... and yes, we don't have kids (yet) so we have fewer expenses than SIL/BIL, but then they also have a lot of financial help from PIL on both sides, as well as each individually earning more than double what either of us earns...

Anyway, it's sorted out, and we will provide help as directed by SIL, which is what we would like most.

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Jux · 19/11/2014 08:16

Splendid! Have a happy Christmas!

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