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Chelsea smile

85 replies

PunkAssMoFo · 17/11/2014 16:40

Some nut job that I know has just called her dd this. She thinks it's funny.

It's none of my business what anyone calls their child, but AIBU to be upset on the child's behalf?

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Fullpleatherjacket · 17/11/2014 18:16

I'd never heard of it until I googled.

YANBU Sad

Nicename · 17/11/2014 18:22

Isn't that what happened to the joker in The Batman film?

Darquesse · 17/11/2014 18:22

That's awful, real or not its a horrible name for anyone.

Stupidhead · 17/11/2014 18:25

I am beyond rock and roll and my DCs have incredibly boring old fashioned names Grin

Whatisaweekend · 17/11/2014 18:28

Whether it happened or not, is apocryphal or an urban myth, it is A Thing and I agree with aerminger - it is in really bad taste. I would ping the registrar an anonymous note with the urban dictionary definition and a line that someone will be coming along soon to register this name and a plea to consider whether this is appropriate. Chelsea, fine. Chelsea Smile, not fine.

I pity the poor kid with parents like this.

squoosh · 17/11/2014 18:30

I don't think anyone yet has said that it isn't in really bad taste.

bananaramadramallama · 17/11/2014 18:30

aermingers - it is a very real thing - it is actually a 'Glasgow smile' and the razor gangs waaay back used to do it.

Sonoma · 17/11/2014 18:32

The thing the joker in Batman had, no? (Determinedly not googling).
Hopefully the registrar will ensure sense prevails.

NotYouNaanBread · 17/11/2014 18:34

That's revolting. I'm sure she'll come to her senses - or, as people have said, the registrar won't allow it.

But to the people googling it and getting freaked out, they're pretty much all quite explicitly theatrical/hallowe'en/goth makeup pictures. Women with their faces cut open are not actually posting remarkably composed pictures of themselves on the internet.

kusmile · 17/11/2014 18:37

Poor child, I hope the parents see sense. What will the poor thing think when she finds out?

Hearing about Chelsea smiles really upset me as a kid, for a loooong time.

Boysclothes · 17/11/2014 18:54

One of the actors in sons of anarchy has a real life Glasgow smile.

SevenZarkSeven · 17/11/2014 18:59

You really can't call a child that Confused

I can only assume she doesn't know what it means.

aermingers · 17/11/2014 19:37

I don't know if it did happen in Glasgow but I know for absolute certainty that the Chelsea Smilers did not ever exist. Ever. It was completely untrue. The police had no reports or corroborating evidence. The Chelsea Smilers are an urban legend.

SevenZarkSeven · 17/11/2014 19:41

I think maybe we've heard different myths?

I know what a Chelsea Smile is and I'm sure that people have had it done to them all over the world. People do all sorts of things to each other.

I don't know what a "Chelsea Smiler" is though so am guessing it's a gang / thing or something that people heard when they were children that was scary?

I only heard of it in the context of "this is what it is" and TBF that is what it is, whether any number of people have actually had it done to them in Chelsea (by people from Chelsea?) or not.

SevenZarkSeven · 17/11/2014 19:44

Wiki has info as usual but who knows how accurate!

"A Glasgow smile (also known as a Glasgow, Chelsea, or Cheshire grin) is a wound caused by making small cuts on the corners of a victim's mouth, then beating or stabbing him or her until the muscles in the face contract, causing the cuts to extend up the cheeks to the victim's ears. This leaves a scar in the shape of a smile, hence the name.[1][2][3]
The act is usually performed with a utility knife or a piece of broken glass,[4] leaving a scar which causes the victim to appear to be smiling broadly and may lead to death by exsanguination (blood-loss) if left untreated.
The practice is said to have originated in Glasgow, Scotland,[citation needed] but became popular with English street gangs (especially among the Chelsea Headhunters,[5] a London-based hooligan firm, where it is known as a "Chelsea grin" or "Chelsea smile")."

StickEm · 17/11/2014 19:48

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Stupidhead · 17/11/2014 19:59

I thought in some cases two utility knife blades were stuck together for this to ensure a scar that can't be stitched.

GoringBit · 17/11/2014 20:00

I'd never heard of Chelsea Smile, but when I saw this thread, I thought it might be something like a pearl necklace, but, ahem, higher. Blush

So pleased I didn't Google it. Real or not, it's giving me the heebee-jeebies.

aermingers · 17/11/2014 20:01

That is not accurate. It's definitely not accurate. In the late 80s the rumour about the Chelsea Smilers went round schools in London and the South East very rapidly. I remember it happening. Supposedly the Chelsea Headhunters were driving around in a blue van with an acid smiley on the side going to schools and lining up children and asking them what football team they supported. If they said anyone except Chelsea then they supposedly gave them a Chelsea Smile. People started keeping their kids home from school.

The police had to step in and tell people it was untrue, it was in the national press and the police also came out and visited schools to tell people that it was absolutely untrue and they had not received any complaints or were aware of such incidences happening.

The Chelsea Smilers were just an urban myth. I don't know about elsewhere but I remember this all happening very clearly, I was 10, the rumour went round my school and I remember it all vividly. It was completely untrue.

londonrach · 17/11/2014 20:02

What does chelsea smile mean?

londonrach · 17/11/2014 20:05

Googled..i feel sick. Defriend if on fb. What parent would do that. Is it the same as glasgow smile?

SevenZarkSeven · 17/11/2014 20:11

Erm well TBF that doesn't sound true to me either aermingers and I've never heard it before - I think I'm a bit younger than you so missed that one! I can imagine it being quite traumatising to hear when you're 10 though that people are going around hurting school children.

emmelinelucas · 17/11/2014 20:17

Whe I was at school, the rumour was that it was skinheads doing this - "Does your mother sew ? ---slash "

JemimaButtons · 17/11/2014 20:21

Chelsea smile is the same as a Glasgow smile. It maybe never happened in Chelsea. But it it most definitely happened in Glasgow.

As a PP said, the Scottish actor Tommy Flanagan (starred in Sons of Anarchy anongst other things) has the scars of a Glasgow smile.

It's appalling that your "friend" has named her child this. Please report back to let us know if the Registrar vetoed it.

MrsJuice · 17/11/2014 20:26

Sister of Dee Capitated?
Vile proposition for a tiny baby!
Hopefully the registrar is educated enough to prevent this, if friends don't talk sense before then.