I have guilt. The Lord's Prayer

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I know it off pat but my dc dont - in fairness they didnt go to a church school and we rarely go to church.
do you know it and do your dc?

I know both old and new versions in English, and the German one to boot (Lutheran upbringing).

I grudgingly now say "sins" instead of trespasses, but can't bear "For the kingdom, the power and the glory are yours" -- why did they have to screw with the rhythm? Grammatically it works equally both ways

Used to think it was "forever endeavour" when I was a kid though :)

I know it now, but was never taught it as a child. When my dad died, they said it at the funeral, and everyone knew it but my brother and me. It made me feel kind of bad.

Why does it matter?

If you're not Christian and don't go to church why do you have guilt about them not knowing it ? Genuinely curious.

Not learning the Lord's Prayer is actually fairly usual and I'm cofe! A large proportion of the world don't know it. Or wouldn't recite it.
For those that are Christian it's very important. It's the Lord's Prayer. Religion is important in art and literature but generally this isn't.

Unless you read Dennis Wheatley. Then it's pretty major.

For me, it's always the one thing that brings me back. A one on one conversation. More is rarely necessary. It's (for non believers) yogic in resonance when repeated. It's peace concentration and centre.

I used to know it ,because I was raised by christian parents, taken to church on sundays, went to church school (at least for the 1st few years) . I've forgotten it nearly all now, my kids probably don't even know what it is, never mind the words. No guilt whatsoever, we're all happy atheists here.

I always recite the original. Cannot abide sins

I know it and 7 of my 9 dgc know it including the 5 yr old. One who doesn't is Turkish and the other has asd and lives in Canada so I'm not sure.

Eddie Izzard version

"We will now mumble the lord's prayer. Our father... charlie charlie, charlie charlie charlie".

There's no joy, no life in there. The vicar should say improvise the lord's prayer, how ever you want and then people would have to talk and think.

"Ohh god, Harald be thy name, ahhh your kingdom come thy will be done, daa diddle dee dumb de dumb".
Give thee my daily bread and my daily toast I prefer with the Daily Mail and my daily Sugar Puffs.

And forgive me thy trespassing. Why is trespassing in this prayer? It's not the most heinous of world crimes is it? The idea you're going to trespass on a daily basis is kind of weird. "Well yesterday, as per usual I was in next doors garden. And I kicked his gnome over, into the fish pond. But he put the back wheel of his car in my garden so I figured those who trespass against me...".

And lead me not into temptation. I'm not going into that cream bun shop.

And if evil comes delivery me next door.

Cause you've got the kingdom and power and the glory, and you've got a Ferrari, well done.

you just reminded me of a headteacher in a school I knew who said in assembly
'and now I'm going to say a prayer because Mrs Thatcher said I must'

I thought I knew it, but the version everyone said at the remembrance service this morning was different to the one we said at school. Ours had trespassing in it, this morning's had sinning.