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Original poster

to wonder why in the midst of CSA so many absent parents get away with not paying?

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ChoochiWoo · 31/10/2014 09:04

Im just wondering really, even people who clearly have money, how to do they get away with is it a case of too many loopholes?

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LineRunner · 31/10/2014 15:15

Oh ffs...

How does HMRC claim any tax off the self-employed

JohnFarleysRuskin · 31/10/2014 15:20

They don't get a lot from them. The cash economy is absolutely huge round my way. Half of them keep their work off the books or are fiddling in other ways.

fedupbutfine · 31/10/2014 15:22

How does HMRC claim any tax off the self-employed

depends on the nature of the self employment - limited company, sole trader etc.

It is possible to pay yourself the bare minimum (to cover NI payments), for example, which keeps your maintenance to a minimum whilst you give your new partner a wage of £100,000K a year. Lots of perks to self employment - my ex ran all his bills through his business whilst we were getting divorced and paid his girlfriend his salary (she had a full time job elsewhere). HMRC don't seem to question and if the HMRC accepts it, the CSA do too.

hiddenhome · 31/10/2014 15:28

They get away with it because it's mostly men who avoid paying. Men get away with a hell of a lot.

Catsarebastards · 31/10/2014 15:31

Why? Because there is no benefit to the government to support PWCs in getting child support for their children. It would cost too
Much money to properly enforce and wouldnt pay off.

WooWooOwl · 31/10/2014 19:28

HMRC does have the power to chase up even self employed people if they're not paying tax. They just have to identify people and out effort into it.

In theory, there's no real reason why they couldn't do this for maintenance payments too, and they would if they still had to guarantee the money to the RP in benefits but then still had some chance of getting it back.

Andrewofgg · 31/10/2014 19:49

LineRunner They often don't.

But please be aware that it is not only maintenance debt which it is ridiculously easy to evade in this country. There is no real system for enforcing judgment debt.

And be aware also that if there were - many PWCs would be sharing the fruits with other unpaid creditors.

I don't pretend to have any answers, if I thought I had I'd be a politician.

SpuffySummers · 31/10/2014 20:40

My ex works for his family. His girlfriend also works there. His Aunt and girlfriend lied to the CSA and then when caught out refused to set up the deduction from earnings.

SpuffySummers · 31/10/2014 20:42

CSA did fuck all.

Why the fuck they got away with it is beyond me.

Should be made a criminal offence to not pay child support.

CourtneyAct · 31/10/2014 20:49

My mother quit her job and moved into temporary work so she didn't have pay to my DF. Some people are just genuinely happy to play the system and watch their children go without to spite their ex.

wannabestressfree · 31/10/2014 22:14

My son is 17 and his 'd' f owes over £15,000 in back pay. He has done everything possible to avoid paying, moved job numerous times, country, not replied to letters, it's been to
Court, the baliffs have been out. I have an order for over ten thousand. I cannot enforce it though, would love the high court sheriff to go in but no. Not worth the paper it's written on.
His latest trick is that he doubts parentage. I had a declaration done though when ds was a year old.
He is a bastard. I wish we had an American system in place. Don't pay go to jail!

PIVOT · 31/10/2014 22:17

My mum sodded off...the CSA wrote to my Dad to chase him for maintenance . He corrected them. She never paid a penny and never got challenged for it.

ThinkAboutItTomorrow · 01/11/2014 08:28

Why isn't there a flat rate minimum per child? If you are living off savings you can support your child from savings. If you are self employed you have to support from your earning. I think a basic minimum ( that doesn't replace the CSA calculation where more is affordable). Make non payment a criminal offence.
People who can demonstrate inability to pay should then be covered by the government. Leave the government to chase any money (as it used to be)

Coffeeinapapercup · 01/11/2014 08:44

What gets me is the CSA's insistence "we have to believe both parents equally"

What in reality that means is that we will believe the NRP (male) when he says he is working.

In spite of Internet twitter accounts where he is boasting to the contrary

In spite of the fact he announced in court he was working and paying maintenance when he had told me he was unemployed. Hence me using the CSA in the first place.

But yes we are obviously only having this conversation because I am the bitter ex wife from hell.

Coffeeinapapercup · 01/11/2014 08:45

When he says he is not working"

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