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to think if you breed and sell animals you relinquish all say when money changes hands? <petty!>

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SomethingVicardThisWayComes · 06/10/2014 05:57

im a bit pissed off.

i am a massive animal lover and i have a house full of waifs and strays. last year i rescued 7 rats from the adoption centre at pets at home and needed a couple of boy rats to keep one of the rescues company.
i travelled miles and bought 2 from a breeder.
i care very much for all my animals and the rats have led a life of riley! they are spoilt rotten. they get the best food, i buy them fresh fruit and veg along with expensive dry mixes, they get lots of cuddles and they come out to play most days.

recently i rescued 3 kittens that had been found abandoned for dead in a rented house, they had been shut in a cupboard.
i took them in and am treating them for flu, ive wormed them, etc etc.
so i now have 5 cats and 2 dogs, i had 9 rats (now down to 6 Sad)

my boy rats are massive and bigger than the rescue kittens. the other day i let them meet each other and took a few cute pictures, which i posted on FB. all my animals need to live in harmony.

the breeder of the rats commented on my fb pics and ranted at me saying i was wrong to mix predator and prey.....well no one told them they were predator and prey and they were fine together, just as my dogs are fine with my cats.

breeder ranted on my pics and said she didnt like it especially as she had bred 2 of the rats.
i sent a polite message apologising and saying they were never in any danger and i supervised them for the whole meeting which lasted less than a minute.

i got another snotagram back.

so now im a bit sick of biting my tongue and ive basically said if you breed animals for profit and sell them you get sod all say from then on in unless its an issue of cruelty. ive asked if she follows every single one of her sales to check they are being properly cared for....
my animals are spoilt rotten. id never mistreat or hurt them and they are pampered pets....
its pissed me right off that she has seen fit to comment and chide me over fb when she sells rats for a tenner a throw....
if you breed and sell animals for profit i think you lose the moral high ground in their upbringing from there on in.

its nice that she is bothered enough to comment but really.....if she is that bothered she should stop breeding and selling them. im betting that there are rats out there she bred that are far worse off than mine....

ive been quite restrained so far but would i be unreasonable to tell her to piss off and bother someone else....?
id have liked more rats but i get the feeling im now off her xmas card list....

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NewEraNewMindset · 06/10/2014 14:37

I think we really need to all take a collective deep breath here and have a think. We are not discussing children being introduced to lions, these are rats FFS.

I've had pet rats, they were fab, but if someone took to my Facebook page dictating how I should be caring for them and then threatened me with some rat-selling embargo I would be very pissed off.

Let her do her worst quite frankly. Is she going to report you to the local constabulary for daring to have a cat and rat in the same room? I really think she has an over-inflated opinion of her role here. Perhaps within the fancy rat community she holds a prominent position, but back in the real world where people hold down jobs and worry about feeding their children and heating their houses this Winter, she is just some loony tune writing nasty messages on Facebook. Block and move on.

ArcheryAnnie · 06/10/2014 14:41

Here we go again - "loony tune". How do you know, NewEra? We only have the OP's word on how the breeder writes, and the OP is clearly feeling very defensive about it.

BustiKate · 06/10/2014 14:43

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KnackeredMuchly · 06/10/2014 14:47

Seriously, seriously, honestly - block her. Move on.

NewEraNewMindset · 06/10/2014 14:49

I love you too Annie.

I am judging my reply on the OPs posts, that's all any of us have to go on when posting and replying on message boards.

Aeroflotgirl · 06/10/2014 14:50

I woukd block her, what good us it doing having her on your Facebook, you sound like you know what you are doing and have experience.

BrightestBulbinBox · 06/10/2014 15:00

I don't think the rats thought it was cute. Like PP suggested, they were instinctively stressed being forced to be nose to nose with a predator. If you love them, please don't put them in such a stressful situation. We can't tell they're stressed, the way we can with a dog or a cat - but tests show they are.

SomethingVicardThisWayComes · 06/10/2014 15:02

i had cats and dogs when i bought them btw. i only bought them to accompany a big male rescue.
the other rescues were all girls.

i already had cats and dogs at the time but ive just taken 3 rescue kittens on top of my brood.

im all for responsible ownership, but this level of intrusion and posting my pictures on her own wall for opinion is beyond the pale.

ive asked her if she wants them back.

ive got her 2 boys left (my big rescue male was pts a few months ago)
ive got 4 rescue girls left.

i wont be getting more - its not worth the hassle quite clearly. ive got a GSD and his breeder on my FB too and she doesnt intrude like this!

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Scuttlebutter · 06/10/2014 15:30

Another one here who is siding with the breeder. As several other posters have said, these are prey/predator species, and through my rescue volunteering , I've seen a number of incidents where in a flash, this sort of situation ends tragically.

It really is not fair on the animals concerned. And well done to the breeder for following up on this issue.

Viviennemary · 06/10/2014 15:35

I think she has a point. If cats have a predisposition to kill rats as they do mice then the chances are they could attack them.

edamsavestheday · 06/10/2014 15:46

I suspect you are offended because you know she has a point. You see yourself as a responsible animal-lover, who rescues the poor victims of other people's mistakes. Now someone is pointing out you have done something wrong, and you don't like it.

Fair enough, few people are generous and modest enough to welcome being corrected, especially in public. But please do think about what she said - just because you don't have the right equipment to measure your rats' stress response at that very moment doesn't mean it was all fine. You need to think about things from the animal's point of view, which I'm sure you do most of the time.

WeirdCatLady · 06/10/2014 15:52

Our fancy rats used to love playing with the dog, he was just a puppy then but was always very gentle with them. The guinea pig scared him though. So do the chickens (mind you, our chickens are nutters - they chase our cat). He loves the cat though. And he's a rottie so your loon fb woman would HATE us.
I'd block her, life is too short for people like her.

smokeandglitter · 06/10/2014 15:55

LEM Yes, my point was that I was told it is part the reason that breeders charge. I know it is illegal. Unfortunately, I knew many rat breeders during the period of time I bred rabbits (at the big livestock shows you all mix and get to know each other) and they told me about it and said there are guidelines that say you should never give rats away for free partly due to this. As I said, I didn't breed rats but rabbits and was just letting the OP know what I'd heard.

LEMmingaround · 06/10/2014 16:05

They were kittens they weren't even cats!! This is madness. It is a question of common sense. My old rottie wouldn't have hurt a fly. I happily left him in the gardens with my rabbits. My jrts could not be trusted. Tbh the rats would probably have done more damage to the kittens.

Mrsjayy · 06/10/2014 16:08

I had at 1 point dog cat and 2 hamsters cat never ever went near hamster slept in the living room with cage in the corner dog was ruled by cat the op was posting cute kitten with rats pictures not offfering the rats for lunch! Op put the breeder on a aquaintence list on fb and block them, they went ott

taxi4ballet · 06/10/2014 16:17

My cat understands in her own furry cat brain that our guinea pigs are also members of the family and as such are off-limits as prey. (I wouldn't leave them on their own together, all the same!).

Nothing wrong with introducing kittens to other pets in the family as far as I can see, especially since you were heavily supervising the encounter.

It is not unknown for predators to strike up a friendship with an animal of another species - just the other day I saw a story somewhere about a zoo lion who had a small dog for a companion in his cage.

ArcheryAnnie · 06/10/2014 16:17

Likewise, BustiKate!

edamsavestheday · 06/10/2014 16:22

LEM, do you mean Jack Russells? Of course they couldn't be left alone with your rabbits, that's no surprise!

LEMmingaround · 06/10/2014 16:28

No of course it isnt. They have a really strong prey drive. Thats just the thing isnt it. Everyone expects cats to chase mice. Everyone expects dogs to chase cats. It doesnt always happen that way and people generally can assess the situation and make a judgement.

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