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Mental health and benefits vouchers

35 replies

BumpNGrind · 29/09/2014 17:41

Help me out mumsnetters, I was having a discussion with a mental health professional friend and didn't feel like I could argue with them but the argument didn't sit quite right with me and I'd like to hear opinions from both sides. I was discussing the issues of benefits, they know I'm a strong supporter of the welfare system.

My friend was saying that they wished a system existed where those with serious mental health conditions could receive their benefits as vouchers for food, electricity, household utilities as they had experience where many of those with conditions such as bi-polar would spend all their money, including on prostitutes, alcohol, drugs and then have nothing to live off. They relied heavily on the staff who look after them pooling together and giving them food or putting money into their gas meters etc. The staff shouldn't strictly be doing this, but I could understand why they were in those circumstances, especially if the person had children.

I've never ever been convinced of vouchers for those of benefits, but in these situations I didn't feel like I had a good enough answer. I don't feel like we should tell anyone how to spend their own money and if you are entitled to it then that's a good enough reason for you to have this money IMO. However, my friend argued that if someone is seriously ill (ie, under the care of a medical mental health consultant, sectioned under the mental health act or similar) it could actually be adding to their illness if they have the responsibility of budgeting on top of their illness.

What do you think?

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ilovechristmas1 · 29/09/2014 18:30

great

im Bipolar and am on benefits and care for my 3 children on my own,and have done for many years

i own my own home and have no debt at all,why should i recieve vouchers when i manage very well

should i be penalised because a few find it difficult to manage

ilovechristmas1 · 29/09/2014 18:34

i hate all these assumptions about people with mental health problem

after being diagnosed my friend said that SS would take my children because of my diagnosis Shock

it caused me such worry i spoke to a social worker and she said she wished people would stop saying things like this

hasten to say i still have care of my children with no SS involvement what so ever

we are no longer friends

BumpNGrind · 29/09/2014 18:36

I don't know, Ilovechristmas, it wouldn't be for me to say how seriously ill you were or how well you coped. My friend made the point in relation to those under consultant led care and who are clearly struggling or using their money in a way which could cause further damage to their health.

Maybe the question should be, if you were to take a turn for the worse in managing your bipolar, and your children were at risk of not having food on the table, would you feel that vouchers were a safety net which allowed you to feed your children?

I don't have the answers here, I'm trying to work things out myself.

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BumpNGrind · 29/09/2014 18:40

Just for clarity, my friend works with those that have serious mental health issues and who are very unwell. They are very likely to have been sectioned, need wrap around care or other serious interventions. I don't think either of us would agree that those with manageable mental health conditions should have their lives interfered with unnecessarily.

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deakymom · 29/09/2014 18:44

how could you give vouchers for gas and electric though? my friend uses £30 a week in the summer on gas i use £5 (no idea why) so would they pay the bill and give us the change? i just dont get it how would it work

PausingFlatly · 29/09/2014 18:50

Can you articulate how vouchers will help if someone is having a bad episode of bipolar disorder?

Just having vouchers will not create food. Someone would need to go and spend them. Who? And if the vouchers are transferrable, they can be sold to a neighbour for half their face value and the children still won't have food.

If the vouchers are highly restrictive re what can be bought, how will the family live when the recipient is not having an episode?

If the vouchers aren't highly restrictive, what's to stop them spending the money on 600 packets of toilet paper and a lifetime's supply of fountain pen refills?

Vouchers don't solve many problems, but do create many.

Mumzy · 29/09/2014 19:01

Can't vouchers be issued to named individuals who would have to produce ID to use them.

Viviennemary · 29/09/2014 19:03

I think vouchers for essentials such as food and electricity/gas would be a good idea.

PausingFlatly · 29/09/2014 19:05

Great idea, Mumzy.

And when named individual is too ill to go to the shops or manage their own affairs? For weeks?

x2boys · 29/09/2014 19:09

I,m a mental health nurse and sometimes if someones life is so chaotic than their money is carefully monitored And they only have so much /day and their bills are paid etc I work on wards so don't have a lot to do with a persons finances but I would think for this to happen the con /social worker would have to have power of attorney or something similar .

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