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To want to do an MA in a useless subject?

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BabCNesbitt · 25/09/2014 08:20

I'm late 30s, DD nearly 3, and just before she was born I finished a PT foreign language/lit degree (my second BA). I've been a SAHM since then. I didn't have a great career before then, so I don't have anything exciting to return to.

The only thing I've ever felt truly excited about was the literature parts of the degree, and it's not much of an exaggeration to say that the degree saved my sanity. I'd love to pick that up again by doing an MA part-time and maybe even a PhD (and my tutors encouraged me to continue). Given that academic jobs are like hens' teeth and I'd be hitting my late 40s by the time I finished, AIBU to still want to apply for an essentially useless course?

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whois · 25/09/2014 08:24

Depends if there is enough money coming in to support you doing it, and how your husbands thoughts I suppose. Maybe he'd be happy to support you doing that, maybe he'd rather you got a job that cold take some of the burden off him.

Needs to be a family decision.

sanfairyanne · 25/09/2014 08:25

i am a big fan of lifelong learning and learning for learning's sake. it is only v recently that learning has been linked to economic success and most learning devalued. so go for it, so long as you are not necessarily expecting to make a living from it

my dad entered academia in his late 50's btw - second career!

HabitualHobbyist · 25/09/2014 08:25

Does it make you happy? Can you afford it? Can you make it work time wise? If yes, YANBU - go for it! Studying isn't always just about career prospects.

Just about to return to studying as well. Good luck.

HolyQuadrityDrinkFeckArseGirls · 25/09/2014 08:25

Aren't most MA's in pointless subjects though? Grin

CromerSutra · 25/09/2014 08:32

If you can afford to do it then why not? It sounds great! If, however, you desperately need to get yourself a job then other courses may be a better option.

nooka · 25/09/2014 08:41

dh and I both took vocational masters, so no they are not all in pointless subjects. Doing something simply for the fun of it is not a bad thing but it does depend on what you need to achieve over the next few years. If you need to get a job then it's not a sensible course of action. If you are in a position when never working again (in a career sense) is OK (including not having a pension of your own), you will get fulfillment and it works for your family then go for it.

dreamingbohemian · 25/09/2014 08:43

I agree, it depends how much you will need a decent job at the end of it.

Perhaps you could focus on getting a part-time job first, then once that's sorted doing your studies around that, so whatever happens you will have some income coming in.

Do you know another language well enough to do translation?

Dawndonnaagain · 25/09/2014 08:44

A Lit degree is not useless.

nooka · 25/09/2014 08:44

In the meantime you could try some of the MOOCs around for a bit of academic stimulation. I'm taking my second course with Coursera at the moment and there is a thread at the moment about a couple of other providers. These are mostly free online courses taught by academics, often quite high calibre too. I found something for my daughter on creative writing here, perhaps that might appeal to you?

BabCNesbitt · 25/09/2014 08:45

Whois, DH is supportive, although he wants me to bear in mind that it probably won't be a passport to a permanent job (he's an academic in a STEM field). It'd definitely be tight money-wise, but we've been used to living cheaply.

Hobbyist, yes, probably and I hope so, in that order! HolyQuadrity, some are more useless than others Grin

Cromer, I can't actually think of anything else that would get me a job at this point! Feeling pretty negative about being able to do anything other than admin-type jobs right now, sigh.

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Marmiteandjamislush · 25/09/2014 08:47

Could you not get a job in translation and do that alongside?

BabCNesbitt · 25/09/2014 08:49

nooka, I definitely do have to work again, and I'll have to get a pension of my own, too, so there's that. I've had a look at Coursera, but I haven't found any in the specific areas that interest me, and part of what appeals about an MA is having other people around to discuss my subject with.

dreamingbohemian, I don't think my language skills are strong enough for translation - one of the negatives of a part-time degree is no year abroad!

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nooka · 25/09/2014 09:07

Oh I wasn't thinking of instead of more in the meantime as you said how much you enjoyed your course. I totally agree with you about having other people to talk to although some online courses have quite extensive discussion boards - the course I am currently taking requires all participants to contribute as part of the marking scheme, and the creative writing had some sort of workshoping arrangement (not sure how that worked though!).

I do think it's important to be realistic about your future though, if ultimately you need to work and earn a pension then you need a plan that gets you into the workforce either full or part time.

BabCNesbitt · 25/09/2014 09:26

Yeah, I do wonder if the main thing that's pushing me towards an MA is that I can't think of anything else I could do other than the same clerical-type work I was doing while I was doing the BA (when I kept saying that I hoped I wouldn't be doing that when I turned 40!)

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gargalesis · 25/09/2014 09:30

I did a Literature MA, and absolutely loved it from start to finish. It is one of the best things I've done. I say do it!

BabCNesbitt · 25/09/2014 09:36

But did you do anything with it afterwards, gargalesis? And what was your financial situation like, if you don't mind me asking?

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morningtoncrescent62 · 25/09/2014 09:40

YANBU. There's more to life than money, and spending your days grinding away at something you hate when you could be doing something that interests and excites you can only be justified if there's no alternative. Since both you and DH sound reasonably happy to get by on what he earns for the time being, you should go for it. A part-time MA is what, 2 years? 3 years? And a PhD another 4 or 5 on top of that? A lot of things could have changed employment-wise by the time you've finished, and you'll be making new friends and developing new skills and networks as well as learning about your subject, so possibilities you're not aware of now might open up. And even if they don't, you'll have had a brilliant time studying something you love, so nothing will have been lost.

cherrybombxo · 25/09/2014 10:00

My mum did a useless degree AND a useless MA when my brother and I were growing up, but she did them both alongside working full-time so it's a different situation. You need to discuss it fully with your DH and decide as a family.

JeanneDeMontbaston · 25/09/2014 11:18

It's a lot of money. The government are vanishingly unlikely to fund a stand-alone Lit MA. Bear in mind that a lot of universities will require you to demonstrate you have the financial means before you start - you're probably fine with an earning husband, but do check.

Do you know what specialism, btw?

There are jobs for which a MA is useful, but a good university should be able to show you what recent students have gone on to do.

greenbananas · 25/09/2014 11:58

If people like you don't study literature at post graduate level, then the Ivory Tower will crumble and fall eventually.

Obviously, teaching basic literacy to children is far more important than spending time analysing the animal imagery in Jane Austen - but I think society does benefit from having people who think about written texts a bit more deeply, and can deconstruct them a bit.

okay, so you may never see any huge personal financial benefit from doing this course, but you will be helping to perpetuate the study of literature as a serious business.

kalidasa · 25/09/2014 12:38

I am an academic in just this sort of field (a foreign language/literature) and we always have a few mature students in every BA/MA/PhD cohort - typically either women of 40+ or men or women who have recently retired. They are usually very good. Two of my current PhD students are women in your sort of position - one has grown up children whom she'd been at home with; the other has quite a young family and is switching from a previous career.

You certainly shouldn't assume that you'd get a job out of it at the end, but you shouldn't completely rule that out either - though it's also worth thinking fairly seriously whether you would actually want all the pressures of e.g. a junior lecturer job in your mid-40s. (And would you/could you move around? Your options will be a lot more limited if you have no mobility for family reasons, a bit less so if you're somewhere like London with quite a few universities within commuting distance.)

In any case, a higher qualification in a modern foreign language might open other doors too - teaching more generally (if it's a reasonably mainstream language) or translating/interpreting, if you make a point of working on your language skills alongside the literature. Also, in language teaching there are always quite a lot of sort of 'para-academic' jobs around - e.g. doing language teaching for university departments or for university language centres. These sorts of jobs may not be as well paid as a permanent academic post, but they come without the constant research/fundraising pressure as well, so might be attractive if you find that you enjoy teaching the language/languages you study.

Also, it is possible (though not at all easy/common) to get funding for graduate study. It is usually hardest to do so at MA level, but if you really excelled in your BA or go on to do very well indeed at MA there's at least a chance of it. Studying part-time can sometimes be a slight advantage here I think, because by Christmas of the second year of a part-time MA course, for instance, you'll probably already have some concrete grades, whereas half-way through a full-time MA, when students apply for PhD funding, they have often had nothing marked yet, or perhaps one piece.

I would suggest you get back in touch with your BA tutors and arrange to discuss this with them; you can also ask around and try to find out whether any academics, post-docs or PhD students at your institution came into academia as a second/later career.

BabCNesbitt · 25/09/2014 18:25

Jeanne (do you have a blog of the same name, btw? I do enjoy it if it's yours!), I don't know the exact title of a possible dissertation, but I know which writers I'd want to focus on.

I have no doubt that I'd have to fund it myself, which is why I was only looking at part-time courses. And in principle I agree with those who say that life is short, do what you love, etc etc. But I suspect that right now IABU; that it would be self-indulgent to be spending the money on that and mooching off DH, rather than trying to bring some more money into the household. Ah well, I suppose I can at least exploit DH's university library pass.

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moxon · 25/09/2014 18:29

No, yanbu. Yes, obviously you should do it. That is all. Smile

JeanneDeMontbaston · 25/09/2014 18:31

Oh ... it sounds as if you've talked yourself out of it. That's a pity! Sad But maybe be right for you and I do see that, of course.

And yes, I blog under this name. Glad you like it. Smile

ithoughtofitfirst · 25/09/2014 18:37

DO IT.

I think i will one day. In something completely pointless.